new cats ? 4 stroke turbo mountain turbo?

edgey · Feb 23, 2011

I talked at a cat rep this weekend that got to ride the 12's and they said they are way different than the 11's and they handle and ride great.

I asked about motors and they said the 1000 is gone, the 800 2 stroke was still on the list didn't say if it was the same as this year or different but that it was still on the model list and that there was something bigger than the 800 but it wasn't the 1000 so my guess is that there will be a 4stroke turbo in a m-sled.

I tried everything I could to get more out of them, buy them drinks, threaten to torture, but that is all I could get out of them.

ndC7M8 · Feb 23, 2011

edgey said:
I talked at a cat rep this weekend that got to ride the 12's and they said they are way different than the 11's and they handle and ride great.

I asked about motors and they said the 1000 is gone, the 800 2 stroke was still on the list didn't say if it was the same as this year or different but that it was still on the model list and that there was something bigger than the 800 but it wasn't the 1000 so my guess is that there will be a 4stroke turbo in a m-sled.

I tried everything I could to get more out of them, buy them drinks, threaten to torture, but that is all I could get out of them.

if you woulda bought them some jack daniel's you woulda covered both bases, and probly got some answers by the end of the night

turboless terry · Feb 24, 2011

I think cat is screwing up by not letting anyone demo these like polaris did. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought they started demos in february of last year. I have a cat and would rather have a pro. If I don't get to try the new cat, before snowchecking, I will order a pro. There have been a lot of people who have jumped to the pro and the only way they are going to get them back is to get the sleds out there for people to try. Maybe, in march, there will be a bunch of demos. Maybe I will be blown away with the new cat. It is going to take a lot for me to not order a pro.

ndC7M8 · Feb 24, 2011

I dont know about that. If whatever the new sled is just completely blows people away like the pro did, I'm sure they'll have great sales. I went and ordered a pro the day after they came out. my polaris buddies "ho-hummed" about it for a while until towards the end of the snowcheck program before they ordered theirs.....I dont know if this has been said on here or where the guy I heard this from got it, but I HEARD that it was gonna be lighter than the pros by 10 pounds or a little more and the big one was gonna be right in around 170 horse. If the came out with stats like that and a narrowed up, narrow lookin new sled I'll say screw the deal polaris is givin me and go buy a cat again. always was cat and didnt have a problem with cat, just wanted to go a different route. I'd love to own a new M series......we'll see what kinda sick new sheet they're bringin to the mountain this year

Evolution Powersports · Feb 24, 2011

paulharris said:
Well thats all warm and fuzzy, but fact is the japanese do build better engines and the suzuki 2 strokes arctic cat uses have for the most part always been very reliable and durable. You say cat will be the first american built sled motor?? Where have you been?? polaris started building the domestic twin 700 in 1997. thats 13+ years. Tens of thousands of snapped cranks later and they still havent got it right. But someone has to be the guniea pig so have at it you might as well get 2 or 3. i myself wont buy one after they start making their own engines.

Actually, in the 1997-2004 Polaris 700 motors were bulletproof. They were in house designed. I think they replaced their really good and extremely competent in house engine designer (the guy had a German name) who was responsible for the design of the 700 domestic twin with someone else after that time period. It seems like they have had nothing but trouble ever since.

I have faith that Cat or any American company can build a solid engine. Quality has to be one of their design parameters. Polaris lost their way for most of the 2000's and that is why they went from #1 snowmobile builder to #3.

Suzuki Cat motors have not always been the most reliable. I recall an 85 El Tigre 6000 I had once....new jug or crank every other ride....:face-icon-small-sad

turboless terry · Feb 24, 2011

Don't forget about cat 700's. They weren't too crank or clutch friendly either.

Jeff C · Feb 26, 2011

f7firecatkid said:
oh ic. haha. yah 1000 to 1100 cant be much. just the extra weight of hte turbo system.

1000= 2 stroke
1100= 4 stroke

So, yea, there is a huge difference in weight and complexity of the motor........

Justified · Feb 26, 2011

why not a 1000 H.O.

why don't they make a 1000 H.O.? People would forget about the M8. I think even with the option of a 4 stroke, the m1000 with a H.O. motor and a better clutching would be sick!!!!!

sledneck_03 · Feb 26, 2011

I just found out some terrible news........they have a job opening for a Design Engineer! Im qualified for the most part other than ive used different software but im married and have a business in the city im in! DAMNIT! To be single and not have any ties.....

These are also qualifications you need hahahahah! Like come on, this is my dream job and its close to Saskatchewan to visit the family!

1. Capable of riding a snowmobile in variety of settings.
2. Willingness to travel for development and test trips.

jasonrev · Feb 26, 2011

Homer said:
Actually, in the 1997-2004 Polaris 700 motors were bulletproof. They were in house designed. I think they replaced their really good and extremely competent in house engine designer (the guy had a German name) who was responsible for the design of the 700 domestic twin with someone else after that time period. It seems like they have had nothing but trouble ever since.

I have faith that Cat or any American company can build a solid engine. Quality has to be one of their design parameters. Polaris lost their way for most of the 2000's and that is why they went from #1 snowmobile builder to #3.

Suzuki Cat motors have not always been the most reliable. I recall an 85 El Tigre 6000 I had once....new jug or crank every other ride....:face-icon-small-sad

Wow I want whatever this guy is smoking. My dad had a 97 700 rmk that did around a half dozen engines in it's first season, the 800 twins were plagued with crank issues. Sorry but some of the polaris domestic engines were runners, however they were anything but bulletproof.

RCR3 · Feb 26, 2011

jasonrev said:
Wow I want whatever this guy is smoking. My dad had a 97 700 rmk that did around a half dozen engines in it's first season, the 800 twins were plagued with crank issues. Sorry but some of the polaris domestic engines were runners, however they were anything but bulletproof.

WELL IT MAYBE THAT ITS POLARIS, AND THAT CAT WILL LEARN FROM POLARISES MISTAKES AND TRY HARDER!

Evolution Powersports · Feb 27, 2011

jasonrev said:
Wow I want whatever this guy is smoking. My dad had a 97 700 rmk that did around a half dozen engines in it's first season, the 800 twins were plagued with crank issues. Sorry but some of the polaris domestic engines were runners, however they were anything but bulletproof.

Not smoking anything. The 700 twins were bulletproof 98-2004. 800's were always junk - until 2011, hopefully. Polaris showed with the original domestic twins that a US company can make a good engine. They quickly screwed it up.

Dam Dave · Feb 27, 2011

Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

MTdream · Mar 1, 2011

vrooom vrooooooom followed by a fluttered sound....

spoon · Mar 1, 2011

If that is a real pic, how long before cat pulls it? Looks pretty good though. I saved it to my files just in case.

MTdream · Mar 1, 2011

spoon said:
If that is a real pic, how long before cat pulls it? Looks pretty good though. I saved it to my files just in case.

Nah, my guess is we will start seeing pics each day till Next Tuesday when they are released...If you want to see them in person...suggest hanging out in Cabin Creek, Taylors Fork and or Buck Creek...Lions Head...Two Tops etc.

The big release with demo rides will be in West Yellowstone...

Thunder101 · Mar 3, 2011

Homer said:
Not smoking anything. The 700 twins were bulletproof 98-2004. 800's were always junk - until 2011, hopefully. Polaris showed with the original domestic twins that a US company can make a good engine. They quickly screwed it up.

Ha ha . funny thing is the head on the 700 the first two years looked like a ski doo head then once apart you find "made in Austria" on the inside of the pistons. skidoo has a plant in Austria.

Jester1 · Mar 3, 2011

The new turbo is not exactly the same as before as the cases have been reworked so that it will lay flat with the head tot he front and the intake down at 10 degrees above horizontal. Teh intake wraps over the top of the head just below the intercooler. This has an extremely low centre of gravity due to the engine configuration and mass centralization. watch the cat video about Carl and you will actually see one in a frame. Very cool for sure.

Jester

2XM3 · Mar 4, 2011

real easy, just copy the pro rmk exactly with the 800 ac motor...done deal, they would sell the crap out of them.

rzjim · Mar 4, 2011

Per dealer 2012 belt fitment chart, m1100, m1100turbo, m800. Bye bye m1000 and m6.

new cats ? 4 stroke turbo mountain turbo?

what sled intrest you?

under 500 lb factory 4 stroke turbo in mountain chassis 200 hp.

400 lb new moujntain sled. direct injection 800 ho 175 hp

hold over m wait to see how new chassis holds up?

turbo hold over .

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