Ascender platform shorter?

Mjunkie · Dec 28, 2018

I’ve been going back and forth on what to buy for next year. I’ve looked at a high country 141 (because I’ve always like the shorter tracks), a hardcore 153, and of course an alpha 154. I noticed something interesting on the website. A HC 141 is listed at 131” total length, a hardcore 153 is 132.3”, and an alpha 154 is also 132.3”. The HC is on a proclimb chassis still I believe. What did they shrink up to make the overall lengths virtually the same with a longer track?

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Sheetmetalfab · Dec 28, 2018

Mjunkie said:
I’ve been going back and forth on what to buy for next year. I’ve looked at a high country 141 (because I’ve always like the shorter tracks), a hardcore 153, and of course an alpha 154. I noticed something interesting on the website. A HC 141 is listed at 131” total length, a hardcore 153 is 132.3”, and an alpha 154 is also 132.3”. The HC is on a proclimb chassis still I believe. What did they shrink up to make the overall lengths virtually the same with a longer track?

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Idcatman3 · Dec 28, 2018

Mjunkie said:
I’ve been going back and forth on what to buy for next year. I’ve looked at a high country 141 (because I’ve always like the shorter tracks), a hardcore 153, and of course an alpha 154. I noticed something interesting on the website. A HC 141 is listed at 131” total length, a hardcore 153 is 132.3”, and an alpha 154 is also 132.3”. The HC is on a proclimb chassis still I believe. What did they shrink up to make the overall lengths virtually the same with a longer track?

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It wouldn't surprise me if the 141, 153 and 154 tunnel back halves were all the same dimensions. They all seem to have different part numbers though, so that may not be it. If not, the 141 probably just has more tunnel extending over the track than the 153/154 do.

For reference, the Alpha 154 tunnel is cheaper though, by ~$5 over the HC 141 and ~$10 over the 153.

I know the old 1M 159s ran the same tunnel back half as the 162" King Cats.

MountainCat1 · Dec 28, 2018

Tunnel length

The High Country is also available in a 153" track and is listed as 132.3" total length.

skidooboy · Dec 28, 2018

18-19 hc 141, and 153 have different length tunnels, and are the ascender platform with new body work. the difference is 4" Ski

corrected my previous post, after purchasing a 153, and 141, and was able to measure by myself. Ski

Mjunkie · Dec 28, 2018

MountainCat1 said:
The High Country is also available in a 153" track and is listed as 132.3" total length.

So Id is probably right that the 141 probably just has more tunnel over it. It just got me thinking that if the 141 and 153/4 is basically the same length, I wouldn’t notice a difference going to the longer track. Decisions, decisions, decisions

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Idcatman3 · Dec 28, 2018

Mjunkie said:
So Id is probably right that the 141 probably just has more tunnel over it. It just got me thinking that if the 141 and 153/4 is basically the same length, I wouldn’t notice a difference going to the longer track. Decisions, decisions, decisions

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You'll notice the difference on the ground, just not the tunnel. We put 153s under the old 144 tunnels all the time.

You could get a track and suspension (really just rails) for each length and swap them out depending on what you wanted.

CFsnopro · Dec 28, 2018

2016 the High Country started to get a shorter tunnel on the 141. The 153 HC has a longer tail section. As well the High Country does not have the dropped case, narrow boards or the same side panels. It’s not the same as the mountains sleds.

Mjunkie · Dec 28, 2018

CFsnopro said:
2016 the High Country started to get a shorter tunnel on the 141. The 153 HC has a longer tail section. As well the High Country does not have the dropped case, narrow boards or the same side panels. It’s not the same as the mountains sleds.

Yeah, I knew there were definite drawbacks, I’ve just always preferred the more nimble feel, lighter weight, and being easier to get airborne in the shorter length. Also, unless I’m wrong, they only do the 2.6 powerclaw in a 141 and not a 3. I’ll probably just have to bite the bullet and get use to the longer track/sled.

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daknapp · Jan 1, 2019

I have a '14 800 141" High Country that I installed a Track USA rail extension kit on and 153" 2.8 Camso track. The '14 High County has a noticably longer tunnel, presumably build on a 153" chassis, than the '18 M6000 141" that I purchased last year. That disappointed me because I made the purchase thinking I could go back and forth between a 141" and 153" rail / track setup depending on where I was riding. Here in northeast New York 141" is typically fine but for Wyoming or Gaspe Quebec I would want a 153".

Side-by-side the 153" HC rear suspension seems to be longer than 141" M by the diameter of the rear wheel assembly.

I'm still considering lengthening the 141" and just debating on whether to do the rails / track initially...and the tunnel extension if necessary later ?

...decisions, decisions...

bigchevrolet · Jan 7, 2019

What about drivers and offset axle to hit a 146" ? Not sure if these parts are available in the cat world or not

jakey-boy · Jan 8, 2019

You are basing a buying decision on cats spec's on their website? You could be buying anything really, nobody knows. Especially not cat. Just buy the 154 Alpha forget the Specs.

Mjunkie · Jan 8, 2019

bigchevrolet said:
What about drivers and offset axle to hit a 146" ? Not sure if these parts are available in the cat world or not

I definitely want to stick with a powerclaw track so it's either 141, 153, or 154 alpha.

Mjunkie · Jan 8, 2019

jakey-boy said:
You are basing a buying decision on cats spec's on their website? You could be buying anything really, nobody knows. Especially not cat. Just buy the 154 Alpha forget the Specs.

I'm not basing it on their specs, I was just looking at them to see dimensional differences, and had a question. I'm basing my buying decision on what I want, and if I could have exactly what I want, it would be an Alpha in a 141ish length. And yes, I'm sure most people reading this are now asking why, but it doesn't really matter because it is what I WANT that matters when it comes to MY sled. I've been riding sleds since my dad put me in front of him on his sled when I was about 10yrs old and I'm now 43, so I know what I want and why. I can explain the why if anyone is interested but most people probably could care less. This thread was created because I saw something in the specs that made me wonder but has now been explained. Thank you to those who are helpful on here! NO THANK YOU to those who think they understand what I was asking but in reality didn't have a clue.

jakey-boy · Jan 8, 2019

Mjunkie said:
I'm not basing it on their specs, I was just looking at them to see dimensional differences, and had a question. I'm basing my buying decision on what I want, and if I could have exactly what I want, it would be an Alpha in a 141ish length. And yes, I'm sure most people reading this are now asking why, but it doesn't really matter because it is what I WANT that matters when it comes to MY sled. I've been riding sleds since my dad put me in front of him on his sled when I was about 10yrs old and I'm now 43, so I know what I want and why. I can explain the why if anyone is interested but most people probably could care less. This thread was created because I saw something in the specs that made me wonder but has now been explained. Thank you to those who are helpful on here! NO THANK YOU to those who think they understand what I was asking but in reality didn't have a clue.

You clearly didn't pickup my sarcasm. The arctic cat specs on their website are a joke. They are still advertising changes from 2015 as new for 2019. That is all I was saying. Didn't mean you didnt know what you were looking for in a sled.

kanedog · Jan 8, 2019

Mjunkie said:
I'm not basing it on their specs, I was just looking at them to see dimensional differences, and had a question. I'm basing my buying decision on what I want, and if I could have exactly what I want, it would be an Alpha in a 141ish length. And yes, I'm sure most people reading this are now asking why, but it doesn't really matter because it is what I WANT that matters when it comes to MY sled. I've been riding sleds since my dad put me in front of him on his sled when I was about 10yrs old and I'm now 43, so I know what I want and why. I can explain the why if anyone is interested but most people probably could care less. This thread was created because I saw something in the specs that made me wonder but has now been explained. Thank you to those who are helpful on here! NO THANK YOU to those who think they understand what I was asking but in reality didn't have a clue.

Why do you want a 141"?

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