My first ride on a Supercharged Nytro

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

Looks like I have some crow to eat here.

Just got word that the sled we were using yesterday was NOT a Stage 1 supercharger, it was an MPI STAGE TWO !!

It didn't have 220hp, it had 280hp!!

That totally explains the extra gas consumption and the EXPLOSIVE power it had.

SORRY for the error in my report, I will go back up and EDIT it right now.

wilmot · Mar 22, 2011

Supercharger vs Turbo. The war will never end. Ride them both then choose your weapon:face-icon-small-hap

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

Yup, there is room enough in the world for both technologies.
In my case, I just happen to be more fond of Superchargers than Turbos.

Coming from a background of building high performance boats, turbos were rarely seen, but superchargers were COMMON.

When you wanted REAL POWER across the whole power band, superchargers were the only way to go.

irondave86 · Mar 22, 2011

Turbo's are definitely better on fuel, it is noticeable that I burn far more fuel than them. I pack in at least 5 gal every time I ride. Another thing is on deep deep days, my friends on turbos can top a few hills I can't. And on those days I wish I had a turbo. They defiantly make a lot of power on the top end. But no turbo that I have rode makes instant power like my s/c, so I guess it's a trade off.

On a side note. If you let someone that is somewhat new to riding, ride my S/c nytro then let them ride one of my buddies turbos sleds, my bet would be that they preferred the s/c. In my experience the s/c is just easier to ride.

Matt@MPI · Mar 22, 2011

irondave86 said:
Turbo's are definitely better on fuel, it is noticeable that I burn far more fuel than them. I pack in at least 5 gal every time I ride. Another thing is on deep deep days, my friends on turbos can top a few hills I can't. And on those days I wish I had a turbo. They defiantly make a lot of power on the top end. But no turbo that I have rode makes instant power like my s/c, so I guess it's a trade off.

On a side note. If you let someone that is somewhat new to riding, ride my S/c nytro then let them ride one of my buddies turbos sleds, my bet would be that they preferred the s/c. In my experience the s/c is just easier to ride.

I agree with everything that irondave said. I've been riding the MPI 180 turbo all year. I can't disagree with a thing you said. There's a place for both, pick your trade offs. When I jump on a s/c sled I almost fall off it as soon as I touch the gas. I wish I had both on one sled.

TRUEBLUEMAX · Mar 22, 2011

Diesel buses have both so whats the holdup for mpi?

←snow∞motion→ · Mar 22, 2011

TRUEBLUEMAX said:
Diesel buses have both so whats the holdup for mpi?

Haha, and you think the Yami weight jokes are bad now. :face-icon-small-win

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

Ya, we don't want to go there:face-icon-small-hap

MTdream · Mar 22, 2011

Butt dyno's are clearly better for supers that is certain!!!

Personally went turbo for the last build, if I was staying blue, I would have tried super for this build....

Calvin42 · Mar 22, 2011

So what type of fuel were you running in these sleds? I had an MCX 240 kit in my Nytro with a head shim running 17 lbs of boost on 91 octane with no problem. How about the s/c sleds? With the stage 1 kit do you have to run a head shim?

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

We were told to run pump gas 91 octane in both of them and did just that.

Though the Tech I was riding with thought that we could have gotten even more performance out of the stage 2 supercharger with a 50/50 mix of race gas.

Stray cat · Mar 22, 2011

christopher said:
We were told to run pump gas 91 octane in both of them and did just that.

Though the Tech I was riding with thought that we could have gotten even more performance out of the stage 2 supercharger with a 50/50 mix of race gas.

Really ?I thought stage one and two both required 50/50 mix of race fuel and premium I didn't think it was about performance but detonation

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

I thought so as well, but it ran pretty darn good with straight pump gas.

Stray cat · Mar 22, 2011

christopher said:
I thought so as well, but it ran pretty darn good with straight pump gas.

who set them up and how about finding out how there doing it was there a head shim or lower compression pistons so forth

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

These sleds were provided by the regional Yamaha Rep.
I can try to find out some details, but I am not sure how much he knows to be perfectly honest.

christopher · Mar 22, 2011

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/ac.../0/detail.aspx

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Linc · Mar 23, 2011

I have ridden both, the super and the turbo. Here's my take, I love the super for riding on the trail into the play area much more than the turbo, an absolute blast to ride, the throttle response is better than a good running two stroke, you hit last second bumps and lighten the front end and launch it, top end power , not as good as the turbo, but way better than stock, so it gets around in the deep pretty good, the noise drove me nuts, the intake noise was enough to make me want earplugs to ride, but I also designed an fresh air intake that sticks out of the hood, so you're constantly hearing the super, it got quieter when I put the blow off valve on. But as far the fun factor goes, the super gets my vote, way fun play machine.

The Turbo isn't as much fun on the trail in, but it is quieter and it climbs better, you have to think ahead more on the turbo, last second changes are usually not rewarded with the same outcome, the throttle response isn't even close to the super, so it makes the turbo feel heavier, even a front mount doesn't have that throttle response.

Now the big difference between the two, FUEL MILEAGE! the super loves fuel, Opec loves the Supercharger set up, both run on 91 Octane, but the turbo doesn't use nearly as much.

Hope this helps

christopher · Mar 23, 2011

Linc said:
the noise drove me nuts, the intake noise was enough to make me want earplugs to ride, but I also designed an fresh air intake that sticks out of the hood, so you're constantly hearing the super, it got quieter when I put the blow off valve on.

Interesting.
I really didn't comment much on that.
The Tech I was riding with LOVED the sound of the Blow-Off valve popping on deceleration.

I LOVED the mechanical sound of the whole blower assembly, just made the engine sound "Beefier".

But it wasn't what I would call "Loud" at all, I can't imagine any reason at all to wear earplugs with it? My Stock Nytro with the SKINZ Under Tunnel exhaust is much louder than the supercharged sleds were.

Both of the sleds I tested had the STOCK mufflers on them, and both were pretty quiet in my book.

christopher · Sep 16, 2011

6 months later and I ALMOST have my own Supercharged Nytro!! :face-icon-small-hap:face-icon-small-hap

440dart · Sep 25, 2011

christopher said:
The Turbo vs. Supercharger debate will never end and can't be won by either side.

The Turbo is more efficient in building horsepower per unit of fuel, no argument, but beyond that point the differences get bigger and bigger.

if you get to ride a turbo sled look at the boost guage rideing down the trail it will be very little thats where you get the better milage out of a turbo setup as it isnt makeing as much boost going down the trail dapending on the turbo of course

My first ride on a Supercharged Nytro

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