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I had the issue of low rpm and severe power loss all last season. Mine would act weird, it wouldn't rev up until you got about 4 or 5 miles on it and it would pull through the bottom rpm range but lacked top end, 600's would outrun it. It would shift out and pull 8000 rpm and slowly creep to 8150. I know I saw 8300 a couple times but never consistently. A few times it would make that lean bog stumble in mid range, and even at higher rpm it would almost give you that lean sound back through the airbox intakes. I'm running the stage three SLP setup and I can't get the rpm out of it even with the stock clutching. I've tried lighter weights and stiffer springs without any increase in rpm. It felt really weak on top end.

I've had a dealer look at it and they "fixed" it and I was told to possibly run Avgas to help it. They told me it was retarding timing and adding more fuel. I tried it when I got it back and it wasn't fixed. The repair was covered under warranty, that's fine it just wasn't fixed. I know of one other person that has the same problems. Silly me, I get sucked into the internet and I've checked all the "problems" that are out there. I even tore it down to inspect the pistons and cylinders it's all good and within spec.

I got it all together and ran it on the stand. I got it warmed up and started to give it throttle in the mid range and it leaned out and bogged. It still wouldn't turn up either. That got me to think the only thing I didn't check were the crank seals.

I found the mag seal was leaking. The crank on the Axys is really dry. If you look inside one there isn't a lot of oil and gas mix sitting in the lower ends. You're not going to get a lot of fluid running out, it's primarily oil that's going to leak out so you won't get that sloppy residue coming out. I should have know when my starter rope was oily and I had the occasional lean bog and a high idle even after checking and setting the TPS.

I'm not saying that's everybody's problem but I think that is a culprit for some of us. It has a little lower idle now and I rode it a little bit this last month on a short little stretch, I really think I have it fixed. I'll post more info when I get to actually ride it.
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Interesting. Do you think the old "spray brake cleaner at the PTO stub while idling" is a good check for this? And can you spray at the mag seal at all?
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The Mag seal is pretty protected and it would be hard to get the spray in there. I think you'd notice a difference if you did spray around it, there's probably enough vapor that it would eventually get sucked in.
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Those new 2018 updates include:
800 H.O. Cleanfire Engine Update
New thermostat provides:
- Lower operating temperature, 110 degrees F (43.3º C) vs. 125 degrees F (51.6º C) for improved overheat margin and more consistent engine operation.
- Increases main circuit flow by 12 percent; increases bypass flow 9 percent.
- New thermostat will come on all 2018 snowmobiles with the 800 H.O. Cleanfire engine.
More durable exhaust gas temp sensor (EGT) providing more than 200 percent life improvement:
- Improved connector
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Sealed cross-shaft cavity crankcases provide additional lubrication and increased durability on both 600 and 800 H.O. Cleanfire engines.
Improved MAG end seal provides better sealing and increased durability on both 600 and 800 H.O.

RMK Monotube Shock Updates
MY18 RMK Monotube Shocks will feature all new valving with “Hi Flow” Walker Evans pistons on the front suspension and rear track shock that delivers less bottoming in the big bumps while maintaining a supple feel on the trail.
Polaris was looking at crank seals also
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I saw that. I'd like to know what the difference is in seal design.
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Just got back from a quick rip, 20 miles or so. The sled pulls up quicker and pulls decent rpm, like 8200 wide open. I'm still fighting something else. I back out to 3/4 throttle or so and it instantly goes to 8350-8400 rpm and accelerates. Give it full throttle and it goes back to 8150-8200. I don't know if I'm dealing with a defective TPS or a detonation issue. I'm not getting any codes so I'll inspect the TPS system again.
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My sled does exact same thing I've checked tps and adjusted twice its right on .7 base and .940 idle. But I'm going to check wide open voltage tonight. There's other threads where guys with the same issue are seeing over 4.30 volts wide open. I think it needs to b around 4.25 but I'm not sure how to fix it other than trying another tps sensor or limiting the throttle from opening past 4.25 volts. Anyone with some insight.

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Not sure if I have time to find the post but some throttle valves were opening too far and restricting airflow.

The symptoms you describe are identical. 90% throttle 8300 rpm. 100% throttle 79-8000 rpm.
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I read a little about that too. I'm going to look into that when I get a chance.
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My sled does exact same thing I've checked tps and adjusted twice its right on .7 base and .940 idle. But I'm going to check wide open voltage tonight. There's other threads where guys with the same issue are seeing over 4.30 volts wide open. I think it needs to b around 4.25 but I'm not sure how to fix it other than trying another tps sensor or limiting the throttle from opening past 4.25 volts. Anyone with some insight.

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I think limiting the throttle opening may be a fix. I believe the throttle plates going past 90 degrees is not the problem regarding airflow rather its the extra voltage from the tps like your suspecting. I have read about throttle bodies getting replaced due to loose shaft fit affecting the tps.

I do not know the magic numbers needed however my 17 has 4.179 according to DW and revs easily over 8400. Previous ride was 4.21 and liked 8350
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