What is the NFS legal definition of a Wilderness?
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The Wilderness Act of 1964 - Public Law Public 88-577
The Wilderness Act of 1964 - Public Law 88-577 (16 U.S. C. 1131-1136)
http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisact
I also know that in some heavily used wilderness areas, the FS has also added other restrictions such as "12 heartbeats to a group". This can mean 12 hikers or 6 horses with 6 riders, etc.
Title 16, Chapter 23:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/16/ch23.html
The Wilderness Act of 1964 - Public Law 88-577 (16 U.S. C. 1131-1136)
http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisact
I also know that in some heavily used wilderness areas, the FS has also added other restrictions such as "12 heartbeats to a group". This can mean 12 hikers or 6 horses with 6 riders, etc.
Title 16, Chapter 23:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/16/ch23.html
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Its seems you can still use the Wilderness for recreation per the link.
I think the word primitive explains it all! When I worked as a Forest Service Engine Foreman I can tell you primitive meant no motorized equipment period. Firefighting techniques and suppression tactics are affected by this term. Hope that helps.
"motorized"....I wonder what the definition of motorized is? What if it's electric. There's other catch alls in all of that print.
No mountain bikes or game carts either in the Bob Marshall Wilderness... BTW have you ever seen what a packstring can do to a trail...yeah no impact there...BS!
Looking at the law it seems it is open to interpretation.
I understand the application of law but the actual law Public Law 88-577 (16 U.S. C. 1131-1136) 88th Congress, Second Session September 3, 1964
declares the can be motorized vehicles and there can be mining , drilling etc.
It also states it is determined by the Secretary of Agriculture to aloow / disallow these priveledges.
Where does it disallow use of fire fighting equipment?
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Land Management Plan and the Fire Management Plan usually outline suppression strategies for each wilderness. Forest Supervisor can allow certain types of motorized equipment if deemed necessary.
So who is educating ther public about the cost of having a wilderness?
Tonight here in Los Angeles the news spent 5 minutes about the 600% proposed tax increase on selling wine in California.
Where is the news about the 5-6 billion spent on forest fires in 2008, the loss of property and the deaths from "natural fires" ?
Tonight here in Los Angeles the news spent 5 minutes about the 600% proposed tax increase on selling wine in California.
Where is the news about the 5-6 billion spent on forest fires in 2008, the loss of property and the deaths from "natural fires" ?
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I think those stories got buried by the ones about people using handguns to defend thier homes.... oh, no it couldn't have been that...um... well, maybe it was the story about people that actually say "Merry Christmas"....oh, darn what am I thinking.....I know! It was covered by the story about how much better off the Middle East is after all of our help!
Well, crap. Since I can't get anything right I'm just going to be quiet.
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Why does this NOT make it to the front page.
Everyone might not care about snowmobiling
but some might care about
The cost to have the wilderness.
The loss of wilderness from natures fury,
The illness and injury a wilderness causes,
The lost jobs from creating a wilderness.
Forest Fire management is not a concern. All of the issues you have brought up to me in PM form and in the Forum here are all issues you need to take up with your Representatives in California. Finestein and Boxer are responsible for a majority of the Wilderness designation over the past 20 years. Harry Reid has done a wonderful job taking over for those to idiots and in 2010 he will have some challenges. Just remember "Global Warming is happening now" ( Al Gore) and your children's, children need to see this area just as we left it for them(Sierra Club). Don, they have the microphone and they get all of the attention of the media. Sorry to say it this way but as of today the Greenies win. I have always wondered why that it is so bad to harvest timber in the Western US and it effects the salmon, so on and so forth, but it is ok to get timber from British Columbia?
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What educate the public (is that an oxymoron)
If things keep going the way they are there wont be any Public Lands that the Public gets to visit. No hiking, biking, skiing, fishing, camping, sledding, horseback riding and no hunting. Everything that is not a town, city or suburb will be wilderness
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Why would the left wing news media want to expose the public to the TRUTH ? It would only confuse them...
We need to create a response to all these inaccurate "newswothy" and "pending legislation" to protect our forest in a meaningful way. Not just make it a wilderness andf let it burn.
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