Deleting Oil Bottle and Pump 800 Rev

gulflube · Aug 19, 2010

I'm sick of the puddle of oil under my sled. Rather than trying to keep finding the leak I'd rather get rid of the bottle and the pump. Is this possible and what steps do I have to take to do this. Sled is a 04 800HO Skidoo Rev

bikerjustin · Aug 19, 2010

yes it is possible, many have done it.

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=164998&hl=oil+pump

gulflube · Aug 19, 2010

bikerjustin said:
yes it is possible, many have done it.

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=164998&hl=oil+pump

Hey Thanks, but I tried there first before posting here. That thread is no longer there anymore. RevBaron used to have alot of stuff on there. Don't know what happened. So back to the top.

SnowSnob · Aug 19, 2010

Thread is not there anymore?? I just clicked on it and it's there.
Try this one.
http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=164636&st=15&p=1366623&#entry1366623

Look up Ttab's mod shop on Dootalk, shows step by step how to do it.

i'llDooit · Aug 20, 2010

gulflube said:
I'm sick of the puddle of oil under my sled. Rather than trying to keep finding the leak I'd rather get rid of the bottle and the pump. Is this possible and what steps do I have to take to do this. Sled is a 04 800HO Skidoo Rev

I have heard of leaving the oil pump and adding a small hose filled with oil and a cap. dont really know how this works. the cover plate sounds like a better idea to me. maybe changing the oil behind the plate once a year. the only downfall is having to use premix on the hill. cant borrow any gas unless you have oil. Anybody know what 40:1 is per gallon of gas. i hate math:face-icon-small-hap

bikerjustin · Aug 20, 2010

That thread and the link to Ttbas thread is what got me the info I needed for my delete.

128 ounces in a gallon. 40:1 would be approximately 3.25 ounces per gallon.
32:1 is 4 ounces per gallon, thats about 1/3 to a 1/4 of a 12 oz can of beer.
10 gallons of fuel will use 40 ounces of oil at 32:1 thats about 1/3 gallon of oil per 10 gallons of fuel. 40:1 will use approximately 32 ounces of oil per 10 gallons which is one quart.

I am mixing at 32:1

SnowSnob · Aug 20, 2010

Get yourself a Ratio Rite and makes things easy on yourself.
40:1 is fine

It's fairly easy, when you go to the pump just keep track of how much gas you put in and ad the oil accordingly.

sledsrock · Aug 20, 2010

i'llDooit said:
I have heard of leaving the oil pump and adding a small hose filled with oil and a cap. dont really know how this works. the cover plate sounds like a better idea to me. maybe changing the oil behind the plate once a year. the only downfall is having to use premix on the hill. cant borrow any gas unless you have oil. Anybody know what 40:1 is per gallon of gas. i hate math:face-icon-small-hap

No need to change the oil behind the plate.

i'llDooit · Aug 20, 2010

just fill jerry cans with the exact amount of fuel to oil ratio, then dump it in ur sled. less math that way.

gulflube · Aug 24, 2010

SnowSnob said:
Thread is not there anymore?? I just clicked on it and it's there.
Try this one.
http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=164636&st=15&p=1366623&#entry1366623

Look up Ttab's mod shop on Dootalk, shows step by step how to do it.

Thanks. That one works.

gulflube · Aug 26, 2010

gulflube said:
Thanks. That one works.

Actually I lied. The post does'nt seem to be there anymore. Anyone else care to help me out please? I cant find any info anywhere on the net. And as for my dealer, well I took a peice of broken jack shaft in to ask a question and they did'nt even know what it was. So I kinda have no faith in the dealership in my home town.

bikerjustin · Aug 26, 2010

gulflube said:
Actually I lied. The post does'nt seem to be there anymore. Anyone else care to help me out please? I cant find any info anywhere on the net. And as for my dealer, well I took a peice of broken jack shaft in to ask a question and they did'nt even know what it was. So I kinda have no faith in the dealership in my home town.

Taken directly from the link I provided

Ski-Doo 420810825 Cover Plate (block off plate)
Ski-Doo 420931565 Gasket (for block off plate)
Ski-Doo 420956240 Oil Tank (not needed but im using it anyways)
Ski-Doo 420960279 Closure Cap (little black thing on the bottom of the tank, refer to Nikolai's picture)
Ski-Doo 420951260 Clamp (for oil hose)
Ski-Doo 420951240 Clamp 12 (for little black thing)
Ski-Doo 420956239 Oil Tube
Ski-Doo 420874370 Fitting (changes from oil tube to hose which goes down to motor)
Ski-Doo 512060141 Ecm Support (bracket that pull cord, oil tank, and ECM mounts to)
Ski-Doo 271000110 Protector Trim (protects water hoses from getting punctured from bracket)
Ski-Doo 207662544 Hex Flanged Screw M6 X 25
Ski-Doo 233261414 Elastic Flanged Nut M6
Ski-Doo 207561244 Hex Flanged Screw M6 X 12, Scotch Grip
Ski-Doo 518324951 Plate (ECM sits on this)
Ski-Doo 570069700 Latch (holds ECM)

sledsrock · Aug 28, 2010

bikerjustin said:
Taken directly from the link I provided

Ski-Doo 420810825 Cover Plate (block off plate)
Ski-Doo 420931565 Gasket (for block off plate)
Ski-Doo 420956240 Oil Tank (not needed but im using it anyways)
Ski-Doo 420960279 Closure Cap (little black thing on the bottom of the tank, refer to Nikolai's picture)
Ski-Doo 420951260 Clamp (for oil hose)
Ski-Doo 420951240 Clamp 12 (for little black thing)
Ski-Doo 420956239 Oil Tube
Ski-Doo 420874370 Fitting (changes from oil tube to hose which goes down to motor)
Ski-Doo 512060141 Ecm Support (bracket that pull cord, oil tank, and ECM mounts to)
Ski-Doo 271000110 Protector Trim (protects water hoses from getting punctured from bracket)
Ski-Doo 207662544 Hex Flanged Screw M6 X 25
Ski-Doo 233261414 Elastic Flanged Nut M6
Ski-Doo 207561244 Hex Flanged Screw M6 X 12, Scotch Grip
Ski-Doo 518324951 Plate (ECM sits on this)
Ski-Doo 570069700 Latch (holds ECM)

Yep, exactly what you need ^^^^^ my only question is this.....is there a coolant reservoir out there that does not have the nipple for the carb heater?

bikerjustin · Aug 28, 2010

sledsrock said:
Yep, exactly what you need ^^^^^ my only question is this.....is there a coolant reservoir out there that does not have the nipple for the carb heater?

Sweet avatar. dunno about the coolant bottle, the 440 has a different PN though. Excellent pics Premix setup, mirror image of mine, except a little cleaner.

The air temp sensor wires will need to be extended due to MPEM relocate.

sledsrock · Aug 29, 2010

bikerjustin said:
Sweet avatar. dunno about the coolant bottle, the 440 has a different PN though. Excellent pics Premix setup, mirror image of mine, except a little cleaner.

The air temp sensor wires will need to be extended due to MPEM relocate.

Thanks I'm kinda fond of my avatar too....lol. I did not know that about the air temp sensor wires for the HO, on the 07 the ECM drops right in, nothing to change on the harness.

lasse · Aug 30, 2010

sledsrock said:
Is there a coolant reservoir out there that does not have the nipple for the carb heater ?

bikerjustin said:
Dunno about the coolant bottle

Yes,
You can use the coolant reservoir from an Arctic Cat :scared:
They have a nice one that will fit just fine.

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bikerjustin · Sep 3, 2010

sledsrock said:
Thanks I'm kinda fond of my avatar too....lol. I did not know that about the air temp sensor wires for the HO, on the 07 the ECM drops right in, nothing to change on the harness.

Do you have a belt drive on your sled?

sledsrock · Sep 3, 2010

bikerjustin said:
Do you have a belt drive on your sled?

No, I wish I did........maybe next year!

bjl · Sep 10, 2010

so let me get this straight, im a little confused. u can take the oil pump off and block it off with a plate and then u just mix your oil into the fuel.. my questions r is 1. does it affect the performance of the engine 2. how does it keep the bearings lubricated so that there is no crank problems/failures.

thanks for the help/ advise
ben

lasse · Sep 11, 2010

i'llDooit said:
Anybody know what 40:1 is per gallon of gas.
I hate math :face-icon-small-hap

This is simple...

* 1 Gallon twostroke oil / 40 Gallon gas = 2,5 % oil

* 0,5 Gallon twostroke oil / 20 Gallon gas = 2,5 % oil

* 0,25 Gallon twostroke oil / 10 Gallon gas = 2,5 % oil

* 0,125 Gallon twostroke oil / 5 Gallon gas = 2,5 % oil

* 0,0625 Gallon twostroke oil / 2,5 Gallon gas = 2,5 % oil

This will give you a nice blend or mix of Oil / Gas that your sled will run just fine on !

bjl said:
So let me get this straight, im a little confused.
You can take the oil pump off and block it off with a plate and then you just mix your oil into the fuel.
My questions...
* 1. Does it affect the performance of the engine ?
* 2. How does it keep the bearings lubricated so that there is no crank problems/failures ?

thanks for the help/ advise
ben

1. No.
2. Their are only a total of 6 bearings in the Rotax Serie-III engine that are Oil lubricated...
* the crank bearings on the inside of the connecting rod
* the piston pin roller bearing
* the big roller bearing on the connecting rod

The rest of the bearings on the crankshaft is Grease lubricated since those bearings are sealed and filled with grease.

In my book the bearing in fact gets better lubrication running oil/gas mix compared to Oil Injection,
This since the oil is already in the fuel you never get short of oil film anywhere in the engine

If you have tweaked the jetting in the carbs on your sled to the bones you should jet it a little fatter when you run oil/fuel mix.
In other cases just ride it like you stole it :face-icon-small-win

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