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Forum participation must be at an all time low for the “powers that be” to offer these pennies on the dollar prices! Looks like censorship has backfired once again. Guess they / you did not learn anything from the example the TotallyYamaha forum gave you. Your editing policies (30 day time limit), censorship, and advertiser protection polices will kill this forum unless they / you see fit to change them for the better (in other words, free speech).

There is nothing “Correct” about the notion of being “Politically Correct”!

It is just a lame excuse / justification for censorship.
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Forum participation must be at an all time low for the “powers that be” to offer these pennies on the dollar prices! Looks like censorship has backfired once again. Guess they / you did not learn anything from the example the TotallyYamaha forum gave you. Your editing policies (30 day time limit), censorship, and advertiser protection polices will kill this forum unless they / you see fit to change them for the better (in other words, free speech).

There is nothing “correct” about the notion of being “Politically Correct”!

It is just a lame excuse / justification for censorship.
Nope
The "Powers that Be" at Harris Publishing had absolutely nothing to do with this sale.

I decided entirely on my own to try something different and see what happened, and the results have been nothing short of EXPLOSIVE.

People wanted a deal, and they got one they couldn't pass up.


And as for the "Example" of Totally Yamaha.
You have GOT TO BE KIDDING me.

Right this moment.
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As compared to SnoWest.
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Most users ever online was 49,602, 02-10-2015 at 10:00 PM.



There are THIRTY SEVEN TIMES more people on SnoWest right now.

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And please stop with the bull crap about "30 days" of editing.
Its been 90 days for as long as I can remember.

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My point is that SW is dieing and reasons why. Comparing current total users was not my point at all. It is the slow steady spiral of death and the causes.
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My point is that SW is dyeing and reasons why. Comparing current total users was not my point at all. It is the slow steady spiral of death and the causes.

This is why the forums are less intense than they were 10 years ago my friend. We are members of a CONTRACTING sport that is neither growing nor holding it's own. We are shrinking and aging, year after year. We peaked 20 years ago.. Snowmobiling is an AWESOME SPORT, but it is also VERY EXPENSIVE and the barrier to entry is VERY HIGH for a new member to join.



2015 = 58,229
2016 = 56,006


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Add all of the figures up, and worldwide sales of new snowmobiles totaled 126,972 units compared to 150,713 in the 2015 selling season. It’s the lowest number the snowmobile market has put together since 123,063 units were sold in 2011.


Now, factor in the rise in Social Media, and HUNDREDS of new snowmobile oriented media sites and there is no way that a traditional "Forum" will ever hold the level of traffic that it once did. We are still the "600lb Gorilla" of Snowmobiling, but the Jungle has gotten smaller over the last 10 years..
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This is why the forums are less intense than they were 10 years ago my friend. We are members of a CONTRACTING sport that is neither growing nor holding it's own. We are shrinking and aging, year after year. We peaked 20 years ago.. Snowmobiling is an AWESOME SPORT, but it is also VERY EXPENSIVE and the barrier to entry is VERY HIGH for a new member to join.



2015 = 58,229
2016 = 56,006


Add It Up
Add all of the figures up, and worldwide sales of new snowmobiles totaled 126,972 units compared to 150,713 in the 2015 selling season. It’s the lowest number the snowmobile market has put together since 123,063 units were sold in 2011.


Now, factor in the rise in Social Media, and HUNDREDS of new snowmobile oriented media sites and there is no way that a traditional "Forum" will ever hold the level of traffic that it once did. We are still the "600lb Gorilla" of Snowmobiling, but the Jungle has gotten smaller over the last 10 years..
Justify it whatever way helps you sleep at night. As I see it your policies are a part of the problem not the solution; at least for me personally.
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Justify it whatever way helps you sleep at night. As I see it your policies are a part of the problem not the solution; at least for me personally.
he he he he
Ya, don't confuse me with the facts.

I'm not trying to justify anything.
Just relating some of the hard cold facts of the entire industry as a whole.
This forum is just a microcosm of the larger snowmobiling universe.
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Snowest is DIETING...... or should be
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When I penned that "30 days" originally; I checked my build thread that I had been posting nearly daily updates to. The Edit button was gone from the post I made 31 days prior and was still there on the post that was only 29 days prior! So Bullsh!t on your calling Bullsh!t! You must have the same convenient memory disfunction as Ronald Regan.

Regardless of whatever you changed the time limit to since my original beef with it. There is zero need for an Editing time limit at all!

I'd trust you as far as I can throw one of your Yamaha's. Enough said! You have ZERO credibility with me!
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When I penned that "30 days" originally; I checked my build thread that I had been posting nearly daily updates to. The Edit button was gone from the post I made 31 days prior and was still there on the post that was only 29 days prior! So Bullsh!t on your calling Bullsh!t! You must have the same convenient memory disfunction as Ronald Regan.

Regardless of whatever you changed the time limit to since my original beef with it. There is zero need for an Editing time limit at all!

I'd trust you as far as I can throw one of your Yamaha's. Enough said! You have ZERO credibility with me!
NEWS FLASH GENIUS.
There has ALWAYS BEEN A TIME LIMIT on editing of posts on SnoWest.
LONG before I came onboard 10 years ago.

It is INHERENT and HARD CODED into the underlying software that powers the forums. When a thread moves into ARCHIVE it can not be edited by anyone, myself included. That is the nature of vBulliten.

We can lengthen and shorten it within a fixed window, but every single thread will get LOCKED DOWN after it sits still for a while. Its just how the software works.
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