Rumors about New Gen 4 850 delivery for customers is delayed to january 2017??

christopher · Jul 26, 2016

VittMaxx said:
Copex9 said:

If anyone has questions head over to DooTalk. An official BRP rep is answering questions, heres the link: http://www.dootalk.com/forums/topic...7-rotax-850-e-tec-engine-specs/#entry16622914

Up to now there are no answers there.....only hungry snowmobilers with millions of questions...

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But we already have an official answer directly from BRP

LoudHandle · Jul 26, 2016

FWIW; just got an Email with these changes as well

Ski-Doo Update: Changes to MY2017 Sleds

Posted by Ross Halvorson
on Friday, July 22, 2016

Ski-Doo has announced a number of changes to their 2017 snowmobile lineup. Many of the changes impact the new Gen4 REV sleds equipped with all new 850 E-TEC engine. Here's an outline of the changes announced today:

Models equipped with the Rotax 850 E-TEC engine will have oil economy in line with the same levels as the 800R E-TEC engine.

MXZ and Renegade models equipped with the 850 Rotax engine will have pDrive clutches equipped with clickers for RPM adjustment.

All Summit REV-XM and REV Gen4 based models will now be equipped with one set of front idler wheels in addition to the rail mounted ice scratchers.

Summit REV Gen4 models will use a one-piece bottom gear rather than the proposed bi-metal gear.

Updates have also been made regarding suspension travel and dimensions to several models:

Front suspension travel on REV Gen4 models

MXZ TNT/Renegade Adrenaline = 8.7” (220 mm)
MXZ X/Renegade X = 9.2” (233 mm)
Summit SP and X = 8.5” (215mm)

Front Suspension travel on REV-XS/XM models

MXZ TNT/Renegade Adrenaline = 8.7” (220 mm)
MXZ X/Renegade X = 8.2” (208 mm)
Summit SP and X = 7.7” (195mm)
REV Gen4 MXZ and Renegade models ski stance – 42.4” (1077 mm)
Renegade X-RS weight updated to include Electric Start = 503 lbs./228kg
Renegade Backcountry X overall height = 44.5”/1130 mm

Just passing information along; you could not pay me enough to ride a Doo

2Thetopp · Jul 26, 2016

LoudHandle said:
Just passing information along; you could not pay me enough to ride a Doo

Don't be afraid of the extra hp, at first it can be intimidating, but after a few rides.....:face-icon-small-win

LoudHandle · Jul 26, 2016

2Thetopp said:
Don't be afraid of the extra hp, at first it can be intimidating, but after a few rides.....:face-icon-small-win

If it were to have any extra HP and actually get it to the track, it will need it to drag the stupid saddle bags and running boards thru the snow.

mountainhorse · Jul 26, 2016

christopher said:
It happens again... We all are excited to see the miracle with new sled platform:eyebrows: pls Doo don't spoil our dreams:face-icon-small-hap

Hope Springs Eternal!![/QUOTE]

IMO... I think you are going to be super happy with this sled... lots of tech and hard to beat the grunt of a nice running 80mm stroke engine when it hooks up!

I'm really looking forward to seeing a lot of my SnoWest brothers and sisters with "ear to ears" on their faces this winter...money well spent is my prediction. ... But hey, I'm a durty poo rider.

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VittMaxx · Jul 27, 2016

Just passing information along; you could not pay me enough to ride a Doo[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your info... I think Doo MUST pay you even more....to ride
two doos:face-icon-small-win

VittMaxx · Jul 27, 2016

But we already have an official answer directly from BRP[/QUOTE]

Yeah, lets shine with optimism....and hope we receive all the answers:face-icon-small-win

Motorbreath_ · Jul 27, 2016

So the new 850 is going to consume 40% more oil than previously advertised... Seems to me Ski-doo likes to get ahead of themselves.

Reg2view · Jul 27, 2016

BRP just acknowledged that as long as they achieve their fleet EPA target, there is no advantage to use LESS oil. (News flash - 2 strokes last longer with more oil, last longer = lower warranty costs. And if they are selling the oil, why wouldn't they want to use more? Mr. Obvious strikes again.)

One exception for using even less oil than emission mandated - marketing a new motor design. Was this the original plan, lie till they buy? Dunno. Why not? But setting expectations before delivery will help keep the internet noise lower. Design appears to be brilliant, execution is unknown, but doo does eventually gets it right with the rotax. This certainly won't HURT reliability. Assuming the electronic oil delivery will be locked up pretty tight without hacking the CPU, this is only good OOTB.

christopher · Jul 27, 2016

VittMaxx said:
But we already have an official answer directly from BRP

Yeah, lets shine with optimism....and hope we receive all the answers:face-icon-small-win[/QUOTE]

Not sure what the point of your sarcasm is, I have no NO PROBLEMS at all with getting answers directly from BRP.

Motorbreath_ · Jul 27, 2016

Reg2view said:
BRP just acknowledged that as long as they achieve their fleet EPA target, there is no advantage to use LESS oil. (News flash - 2 strokes last longer with more oil, last longer = lower warranty costs. And if they are selling the oil, why wouldn't they want to use more? Mr. Obvious strikes again.)

One exception for using even less oil than emission mandated - marketing a new motor design. Was this the original plan, lie till they buy? Dunno. Why not? But setting expectations before delivery will help keep the internet noise lower. Design appears to be brilliant, execution is unknown, but doo does eventually gets it right with the rotax. This certainly won't HURT reliability. Assuming the electronic oil delivery will be locked up pretty tight without hacking the CPU, this is only good OOTB.

Its quite obvious that they would be in a much better position from a business perspective to have engines that burn more of their over priced oil and last longer because of it.

I guess they had to come up with something to soften the blow that this 850 will come with "only" 165 horsepower.. The same amount we were lead to believe was in the 800R etec.

Anyways.. I bet its still a great sled minus the few things they will change before the snow flies. I just don't like the mind games they play.

snowmobiler · Jul 27, 2016

NWaxys · Jul 27, 2016

Talked with my dealer 850 should be here within next month or two

summ8rmk · Jul 27, 2016

My dealer has a sherbert 850

GS6

VittMaxx · Jul 27, 2016

Not sure what the point of your sarcasm is, I have no NO PROBLEMS at all with getting answers directly from BRP.[/QUOTE]

Pls, don't get me wrong..Did not want to hurt Brp... Just wish to
say that IMO we will get the real answers from the final users...not
official representatives:face-icon-small-hap

PaulAnd · Jul 28, 2016

summ8rmk said:
My dealer has a sherbert 850

GS6

What? No picture of you dryhumping it?

christopher · Jul 28, 2016

VittMaxx said:
Not sure what the point of your sarcasm is, I have no NO PROBLEMS at all with getting answers directly from BRP.

Pls, don't get me wrong..Did not want to hurt Brp... Just wish to

say that IMO we will get the real answers from the final users...not

official representatives:face-icon-small-hap[/QUOTE]

In the end, absolutely

NWaxys · Aug 6, 2016

Just left the dealer this morning looks like floor models SP will b here bout oct and the X in November!

christopher · Aug 6, 2016

Sweet.
Pray for early heavy snawfall

Timbre · Aug 8, 2016

Has there been any communication from BRP on why they backed off on the “going 40% farther on the same liter of oil” statement made in the video someone posted in another thread, and how that might relate to engine longevity and perhaps the delayed delivery of the new sleds?

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