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so is the only diff from the le to se is the front shocks & yammi race colors or em i missing something
>>>>> 2015 Yamaha Mountain Sleds: VIDEO and PHOTOS, (JUST RELEASED)
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im sorry...wasnt aware the m8 was so dominant vs other sleds,guess ill have to sell my sled and get a viper as nothing will keep up to it in the pow,thanks for the facts,its really influenced me
Lots of mis-information going on in this thread that I think we should clear up.
<b><u>Price</b></u>
(comparing top of the line models)
The Viper MTX 162 LE with 3 year warranty = $13,350
The Viper MTX 162 LE with MPI Turbo with 3 year warranty= $13,350 + $2000 = $15,350
The Arctic Cat M9000 HCR (most direct comparison) with 1 year warranty = $15,400
In my eyes the Viper MTX is a much better deal when considering the advantages in motor, higher end turbo components, and warranty.
<b><u>Weight</b></u>
Like stated before, the Viper MTX's weight has no direct correlation to the Nytro MTX's weight. The chassis was the heavy part of the Nytro (that's why you can drop 40lbs with a timbersled skid/drop brackets). From all my research the common consensus is that the Viper XTX is about 40lbs lighter than the Nytro XTX. If they found even more weight they could shed in the MTX version of the Viper then the difference between the Nytro MTX and Viper MTX should be even greater than 40 lbs.
From a marketing stand point I have no idea why Yamaha isn't screaming at the top of their lungs the new dry weight of the sled compared to the old Nytro MTX. Seems like "40lbs lighter" would be a huge attention grabber!
<b><u>Horsepower</b></u>
I keep seeing posts of how the Viper MTX with MPI turbo is 190hp and is only 20-30hp more than the comparable 800 2-strokes. This is true ONLY at sea level, but these are mountain sleds so sea level horsepower doesn't mean jack. The highest horsepower 2-stroke (160hp) has only 132hp at 6000' and 112hp at 10000' elevation. A Viper MTX with MPI turbo is 190hp at 6000' and 190hp at 10000' (if you adjust your boost for altitude, pretty easy to do). This means that the Viper MTX with MPI Turbo your getting 58 more hp at 6000' and 78 more hp at 10000'.
So in summary, the horsepower difference between a 800 class two stroke and the Viper MTX with MPI Turbo (or anything with a turbo for that matter) should NOT be compared.
<b><u>New Engine</b></u>
Where is the new Engine that they PROMISED us?!? Don't put out a new sled that's fine but why would you LIE to your customers? This bugs me more than anything else.
In the yamaha snowmobile blog link (http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/) that keeps being posted everywhere it mentions that they needed to spend another year of R & D for the MTX to increase the agility, balance, and maneuverability. What are these changes?
After hearing the reviews of how these sleds (pro-climb chassis) handle and fly in the air, I think it'd be sweet to have one with a reliable drivetrain in them. However, it's hard for me to give the thumbs up to Yamaha for this sled, because realistically they didn't design it.
<b><u>Price</b></u>
(comparing top of the line models)
The Viper MTX 162 LE with 3 year warranty = $13,350
The Viper MTX 162 LE with MPI Turbo with 3 year warranty= $13,350 + $2000 = $15,350
The Arctic Cat M9000 HCR (most direct comparison) with 1 year warranty = $15,400
In my eyes the Viper MTX is a much better deal when considering the advantages in motor, higher end turbo components, and warranty.
<b><u>Weight</b></u>
Like stated before, the Viper MTX's weight has no direct correlation to the Nytro MTX's weight. The chassis was the heavy part of the Nytro (that's why you can drop 40lbs with a timbersled skid/drop brackets). From all my research the common consensus is that the Viper XTX is about 40lbs lighter than the Nytro XTX. If they found even more weight they could shed in the MTX version of the Viper then the difference between the Nytro MTX and Viper MTX should be even greater than 40 lbs.
From a marketing stand point I have no idea why Yamaha isn't screaming at the top of their lungs the new dry weight of the sled compared to the old Nytro MTX. Seems like "40lbs lighter" would be a huge attention grabber!
<b><u>Horsepower</b></u>
I keep seeing posts of how the Viper MTX with MPI turbo is 190hp and is only 20-30hp more than the comparable 800 2-strokes. This is true ONLY at sea level, but these are mountain sleds so sea level horsepower doesn't mean jack. The highest horsepower 2-stroke (160hp) has only 132hp at 6000' and 112hp at 10000' elevation. A Viper MTX with MPI turbo is 190hp at 6000' and 190hp at 10000' (if you adjust your boost for altitude, pretty easy to do). This means that the Viper MTX with MPI Turbo your getting 58 more hp at 6000' and 78 more hp at 10000'.
So in summary, the horsepower difference between a 800 class two stroke and the Viper MTX with MPI Turbo (or anything with a turbo for that matter) should NOT be compared.
<b><u>New Engine</b></u>
Where is the new Engine that they PROMISED us?!? Don't put out a new sled that's fine but why would you LIE to your customers? This bugs me more than anything else.
In the yamaha snowmobile blog link (http://snowmobiles.yamahablogs.ca/) that keeps being posted everywhere it mentions that they needed to spend another year of R & D for the MTX to increase the agility, balance, and maneuverability. What are these changes?
After hearing the reviews of how these sleds (pro-climb chassis) handle and fly in the air, I think it'd be sweet to have one with a reliable drivetrain in them. However, it's hard for me to give the thumbs up to Yamaha for this sled, because realistically they didn't design it.
If I have the numbers correct, the Turbo MPI Viper came in at -30lbs from the Cat M1100T in "prototype" configuration, which is what they are riding on today.
February 11, 2014
Time to Pin It
I’m writing this post from Valemount BC, smack dab in the middle of the mountains between Edmonton and Prince George. This morning we lifted the embargo on the new sleds and I just finished reading the thread on Totallyamaha along with a bunch of magazine reviews. As usual the comments are all over the map, from good to bad to worse. Thought I would take a minute to offer my take on the 2015′s.
Mountain sleds – yes – If there was one area we have been suffering, it is in the mountains and deep powder back-country riding areas. We watched our market share decrease in the mountains going back before the recession and it was with trepidation that we launched the Viper last year without an M-TX version for our dealers. Mountain models make up over 30% of total sales and we were not in the game. The Nytro mountain made for a good platform to modify and in the hands of a good rider, performed some magic but for the average guy who wasn’t looking for a 300 hp assault weapon – there were better choices.
When we looked at the Viper platform for mountain it was pretty clear that we
needed to do more than simply add a long track and narrow it up. The Pro Climb frame brought some good features into the mix with dedicated mountain tunnel and steering layouts but is was still designed around a 2 stroke engine. We took the extra year in development for chassis modifications focused on the targets of agility, balance and manoeuvrability akin to the lighter competition.
http://youtu.be/doJwVqRaWiA
Our engineers collaborated with the mountain specialists at Arctic Cat and Fox to figure out the best ways to manage the additional weight of the 4-stroke in terms of balance and handling. We also brought in some of the best riding talent on snow to help in the evaluation and testing, Guys like Randy, Chris Brown, Chad and TJ have had significant input on the sleds. The cherry on top was the addition of boost that was achieved working closely with MPI, our official supplier.
We now have a line up of mountain machines that have narrowed the gap dramatically to the 2-stroke world both in terms of weight and handling, add to that the availability of consistent high horsepower at altitude and we are back in the game, big time. Lots of stuff we didn’t talk about like special ECU program and clutch calibration for response; analysis and consequent weight reduction in many small areas like fasteners and materials, all add to the equation. I am heading out this afternoon for a ride with Randy and Chris to see how it’s all worked out first hand.
The LE models are another departure for us. Traditionally we would only have used BNG and paint to create an LE. Not this time. Each LE has a spec change along with the brilliant ( love it or hate it) color scheme . The L-TX gets a 1.75 track in a more trail able package, the X-TX gets the mountain chassis with a 2.25 lug and wide trail stance as a pure cross over. The R-TX gets a whole lot of Tucker influenced suspension and a choice of tracks, while the M-TX gets a premium FOX front shock package.
The coil over, gassers have been coined DX models as having the heated seat, tall windshield and additional storage makes them ‘ deluxe’ compared to the SE line.
The S-TX is a groomed trail cross-over with an optional 2-up seat and storage system (think cross – tour).
This leaves the pure Yamaha models built in Japan virtually unchanged and I know this comes as a great disappointment to many. To those who have called it a sign of Yamaha becoming only an engine supplier to AC and the demise of the brand. I am saying sorry but you are wrong. MY 2014 was very successful for us and we have completed the line with the addition of mountain and crossover for 2015. We are having a great winter in the Midwest and eastern provinces which bodes well for next fall. We have done what we needed to do and are are back in black, making some profit in snowmobile. All these things will factor highly in how much the mother ship is willing to invest and how quickly, in future R and D towards more pure Yamaha product, along with the engine supply to AC.
We are looking forward, up the trail as we exit the second corner and get on the gas.
cheers cr
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Ill have numbers first part of next week. I think it will be a bigger difference than that once it is all said and done.
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how much weight does the turbo kit add to the sled overall
its ok Ditchbanger. i didnt know that the poo was 75 thousand pounds lighter then everything else.:face-icon-small-hap:face-icon-small-hap
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why do you say no way do you know what it weighs,i know that number is close,a 2014 viper with a 162 is 550lbs with all fluids & a gallon of gas.so that means dry it will be between 510lbs to 520lbs max dry weight depending on how much weight they cut from the pro climb chassi.the pro climb is supposed to be lighter than the pro cross witch the viper is .all weights i listed were dry weights.
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The more important number for me is how high the weight is carried, that was the big problem with the Nytro. For those that do not know take a peek at one of the many pics of the Viper and see how low the engine is set in. Then note the gas tank is under the seat....all the way to the back of the seat actually and the battery is on top of the gas tank in the back. Makes for a balance and handling I have never came close to feeling in any Yamaha. But, opinions are ..you know what. Go ride one or a 2014 Proclimb and make your own conclusion.
yamaha is so out of the picture,ok a t viper at 10000ft will walk a 2 stroke,no argument there...i had a nytro now forget about the chassis,lets talk motor since the viper t is for 6000ft and up,mtn sled sales are up cause flatlanders are buying them,i ride at 1000 ft and we get good snow and a 130hp ,600lbwet sled gets it hinny kicked by the 800 2 stokes..even the 600 's ..lets just say the t viper is a big hit but its for such a small niche of sales..who would want it below 6000ft?in my area you cant sell a second hand yammie mtn sled,they are turds..if yamaha is so concerned with mtn sales they should have something that can run below 6000ft and be competitive,there were hills i couldnt climb with my nytro that the 6 and 8 were having no issue with...so i just dont understand the hype for and old 130hp engine..
In this case, MORE would be better!!:face-icon-small-hap:face-icon-small-hap
im curious as to how much you KNOW about fuel injection. the computer can AUTOMATICALLY calculate the intake of air and adjust the fuel. yamaha is just keeping it safe. this isnt carburetored anymore. sure you have to get it with in the vicinity of it. but it will work below 6000ft. oh im sure you can tel the guy you snow check your sled from hey buddy i sled from 500ft to 4000ft. can you tune it for me there.
Please, walk away from this nonsensical 6,000ft argument.
It is a TOTAL
Yamaha has placed NO SALES RESTRICTIONS whatsoever on east coast low altitude dealers selling and installing the MPI Turbo on all of the Vipers back there being used for flat land trail riding!
The MPI Turbo on the Viper is, and has been, working just fine at all elevations for the last year.
And the last time I was "Mountain Riding" in British Columbia, we sure as heck were WELL below 6,000ft for some truly outstanding riding! Mountain Riding started at about 600ft above sea level.
Please, walk away from this nonsensical 6,000ft argument.
It is a TOTAL
Yamaha has placed NO SALES RESTRICTIONS whatsoever on east coast low altitude dealers selling and installing the MPI Turbo on all of the Vipers back there being used for flat land trail riding!
The MPI Turbo on the Viper is, and has been, working just fine at all elevations for the last year.
And the last time I was "Mountain Riding" in British Columbia, we sure as heck were WELL below 6,000ft for some truly outstanding riding! Mountain Riding started at about 600ft above sea level.
i like this guy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :face-icon-small-coo:face-icon-small-coo
So..... what else in the fine print doesn't mean anything, just so we are clear?Please, walk away from this nonsensical 6,000ft argument.
It is a TOTAL
Yamaha has placed NO SALES RESTRICTIONS whatsoever on east coast low altitude dealers selling and installing the MPI Turbo on all of the Vipers back there being used for flat land trail riding!
The MPI Turbo on the Viper is, and has been, working just fine at all elevations for the last year.
And the last time I was "Mountain Riding" in British Columbia, we sure as heck were WELL below 6,000ft for some truly outstanding riding! Mountain Riding started at about 600ft above sea level.
Another question, with the low boost kit, since operating elevation doesn't seem to matter, would someone have to reclutch when operating at say 11000' and then going to sea level? The many M1100T's I have rode didn't require any changes.
Actually one is better off buying two turboed 163 viper mtx (2 x $16000) over 10-12 years versus three 163 stock pros or xms (3 x $13,000) over 8-9 years. And you are not hamstrung with 100 hp at 9000'.
You shouldnt have to although 11,000ft is flipping high haha. but you shouldnt have to i wouldnt think. someone might be able to shed some light on it.
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