Is the US turning more conservative??
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6 years ago I was pro choice, After having a baby & understanding how GREAT they are I am Pro-Life because childeren are truely a 
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Obamas destruction will come from his pro-choice support!
resent:Obamas destruction will come from his pro-choice support!
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couldn't imagine destroying a life just because it wasn't convient for you at the time
couldn't imagine destroying a life just because it wasn't convient for you at the time
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i gotta inject my opinion on this one.....
I have 3 kids, including one with Down Syndrome (yes, we knew prior and kept her anyway)... i wouldn't trade the entire world for any of them and I find the thought of aborting them to be such a disturbing thing... they are the very reason i exist............
HOWEVER, I am glad that in this country I have the ability to make that decision for myself... i see this as a similar ability to having the freedom to choose whether or not I wear a helmet (which I do but am vehemently opposed to helmet laws) or a seat belt (same deal)... I like this freedom...
I am anti-abortion (as a moral/ethical decision) but also pro-choice (I want to have the freedom to make my own decisions) as I see them as mutually exclusive arguments...
I have 3 kids, including one with Down Syndrome (yes, we knew prior and kept her anyway)... i wouldn't trade the entire world for any of them and I find the thought of aborting them to be such a disturbing thing... they are the very reason i exist............
HOWEVER, I am glad that in this country I have the ability to make that decision for myself... i see this as a similar ability to having the freedom to choose whether or not I wear a helmet (which I do but am vehemently opposed to helmet laws) or a seat belt (same deal)... I like this freedom...
I am anti-abortion (as a moral/ethical decision) but also pro-choice (I want to have the freedom to make my own decisions) as I see them as mutually exclusive arguments...
Interesting reply Bonz. I agree with you and disagree.
I just think that there are too many kids out there that are either not wanted or grow up in very bad circumstances. Why would we force a person that doesn't want the kid to have it? You can argue religion, but you have to throw that out because our country doesn't push any religious view/rule onto anyone. I think it is sad to get an abortion, but if the parent is unable or doesn't want to take care of the child, why should we say they have to? All circumstances are different (rape babies, drug babies, babies expected to not live well or long, etc.), but perhaps abortion will prevent a child from growing up in a life of drugs, hate, murder, crime, anomisity and prevent them from pushing all of this onto your kids!
I just think that there are too many kids out there that are either not wanted or grow up in very bad circumstances. Why would we force a person that doesn't want the kid to have it? You can argue religion, but you have to throw that out because our country doesn't push any religious view/rule onto anyone. I think it is sad to get an abortion, but if the parent is unable or doesn't want to take care of the child, why should we say they have to? All circumstances are different (rape babies, drug babies, babies expected to not live well or long, etc.), but perhaps abortion will prevent a child from growing up in a life of drugs, hate, murder, crime, anomisity and prevent them from pushing all of this onto your kids!
I personally am pro-choice for the same reasons as BugIto.
However, the pro-choice, pro-life battle has always been a good indicator of which way and how far this country was leaning. With the shift to a more pro-life support I am wondering what peoples thoughts on the whole liberal/conservative stance of america as a whole.
I work in boulder colorado so am surrounded by the super libs (love to get em wound up). I have talked to a few that said they are changing their positions on a lot of issues as they feel the country as a whole has gone TOO FAR left.
Just curious if anyone else has noticed this trend?
However, the pro-choice, pro-life battle has always been a good indicator of which way and how far this country was leaning. With the shift to a more pro-life support I am wondering what peoples thoughts on the whole liberal/conservative stance of america as a whole.
I work in boulder colorado so am surrounded by the super libs (love to get em wound up). I have talked to a few that said they are changing their positions on a lot of issues as they feel the country as a whole has gone TOO FAR left.
Just curious if anyone else has noticed this trend?
Pretty much my feeling on this one as well! Pure common sense! when there are no children neglected or abused then I will get on the pro-life bandwagon until then people should have a choice even If I dont agree! ya know the whole freedom thing !
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6 years ago I was pro choice, After having a baby & understanding how GREAT they are I am Pro-Life because childeren are truely a
Obamas destruction will come from his pro-choice support!
You're a family man, a provider and now must make decisions that affect the people you love. Also you are older and more mature. Sounds to me some of the qualifications to make an informative vote too. Sometimes just because you're 18 doesn't always mean you make adult choices. I too while in college had similar ideas as you. But man, have things changed.
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I chose life for my daughter for personal reasons (and I'm happy with my decision)... I'm just glad I had the ability to make that call myself (or ourselves as it was my wife who was carrying her)... but this has to be a personal choice... we can't have the govt saying you are unfit to have a kid so you must abort... no-one can know how good or bad a parent will be, I tend to fall on the side of erring in favor of the child being able to exist...
I agree on your principles, but would argue that maybe instead of promoting abortion as a solution to some of the problems you state maybe we should work more on simply not getting pregnant... handing out condoms, welfare birth control pills/"day after" pills, sex education, etc.... seems to me that reducing the number of abortions by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancy is the best solution....
I want this country to be a place that values life by giving us the opportunity to choose it... avoiding unwanted pregnancy is better birth control than abortion is as a form of birth control...
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There's a few guys here that voted o-bummer, but weren't really set one way or another. Basically voted for him because he was popular. Now they're starting to question their vote; but the time for that was 04 November, not today. "Chaaaange!! Chaaangeee we can belieeeeeeeeeve in!!!!!" *puke*
Old guy here is super-liberal... don't see him changing his political stance anytime soon. About once a day he'll tell someone how great a job obummer's doing and how he picked such great people for secretary of state, etc. Mid-november he stopped talking to me about politics, because it seems like i can see past the lies. As i'm typing this he's talking at the guy across the way about how great his subaru is. Sounds like he got rear-ended by a ford escort this morning
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i am the first one to stand up for individual rights thats kinda what i thought i got tore up for. but somebody gotta stand up for the ones that can't talk. i don't want to meet my maker and say i destroyed a innocent life for my or others misfortune or convenience.in my opinion not voicing an objection is same as going along with whatever
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The polling date seems fairly clear that the country as a whole is trending toward pro life. I personally am pro life. A childs life is precious. I don't believe there is such a thing as an unwanted baby.
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x2, Hit the nail on the head. Instead of trying to abort to fix the problem, we should be trying to fix it where it starts.
Instead of aborting why not look at adoption? Honestly I have a couple of friends growing up that chose to put unplanned children up for adoption and although hard for them personally they sleep well at night with the decision. There is a real need for babies to adopt in this country off the top of my head I can think of 3 families that have adopted children and they all had to go out of the country to do it. There are great couples out there that want children but can't, IMO the best thing to do is stop aborting and keep the children and place them in good homes. JMO
I sure hope that this country start to shift to a bit more conservative. I can't handle how liberal a lot of things have gotten in this country even in the last 15 years.
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I get hung up on Rape and Insest. Pro chioce for those victoms.
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Lets take this one step further - every time you see a kid under 18 years who's parents are abusive, on drugs or otherwise unfit, just kill it. Then he won't have to grow up in that situation either.
I have met quite a few women who are emotionally messed up from having an abortion. They never get over the guilt. On the other hand, I have never met a mother who said "I sure wish I would have killed that little bastage before he was born"
I belive that if a woman has an abortion she (and the father if he is found) should be sterilized so it doesn't happen again.
I think one of the reasons opinions are starting to change from pro-choice to pro-life is the fact birth control has gotten so effective. If you are going to fool around, just use the proper protection.
As for adoption. I am not a real believer.
Not that I don't think it is a good idea, it is just the requirements to be able to adopt in this country are crazy stupid.
A couple I personally know tried to adopt a child.
He was a computer specialist making over 100k (1995 dollars). She was a stay at home mom. They had a small farm with a few goats, a couple horses and a dozen or so cats to keep the mice under control.
The adoption agency told them they were unfit to adopt. He was 40lbs overweight and the agency didn't feel he would be able to keep up with the child, also, a farm is a dirty place and unfit for a child to grow up in.
The couple went to a couple churches and hooked up with the church. They do a program that pairs up unwed mothers with child to parents that want to adopt. The would be parents pay for all costs associated with the birth and adopt the child at birth. The little girl is now 12 years old and a little ball of energy. Funny as heck watching her go running across, dive on the back of a goat, scream gitty up and go tearing around the pen.
As for adoption. I am not a real believer.
Not that I don't think it is a good idea, it is just the requirements to be able to adopt in this country are crazy stupid.
A couple I personally know tried to adopt a child.
He was a computer specialist making over 100k (1995 dollars). She was a stay at home mom. They had a small farm with a few goats, a couple horses and a dozen or so cats to keep the mice under control.
The adoption agency told them they were unfit to adopt. He was 40lbs overweight and the agency didn't feel he would be able to keep up with the child, also, a farm is a dirty place and unfit for a child to grow up in.
The couple went to a couple churches and hooked up with the church. They do a program that pairs up unwed mothers with child to parents that want to adopt. The would be parents pay for all costs associated with the birth and adopt the child at birth. The little girl is now 12 years old and a little ball of energy. Funny as heck watching her go running across, dive on the back of a goat, scream gitty up and go tearing around the pen.
How do you feel about "the morning after pill " I dont consider that abortion. most true conseratives do. If they would pull the bible out of there butt and temper there religious belifes with a touch of common sense a whole bunch of these what ifs could be avoided !
IMO most of the people that find themselves in the position to need to make this decision probably should not be breeding in the first place .It's not like there is any excuse! There is free birth control for just about anybody who wants it these days !
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Poor goat
In 1939 my dad was taken by the state/city of Flint because he was born by a unwed mother that lived with her parents & 6 other siblings. Long & short of it is my grandmother visited my father for 2 weeks in this state run orphanage. Understand this was 1939 & times where a bit harder than now but it took 2 weeks for the JP to hitch my G-ma & G-pa & for them to find a place to live so they could get their kid back. They went back to to pick up my dad & they would not give him back to them! My dad was basicly sold to a somewhat wealthy for the time farm family. It was a crazy story when I got to sit down with both grandmothers & get it all together, But all worked out well in the long run. Hmmmmm so what in the heck am I saying? Over the guilt my dads real mom never had any other children & ended up divorced from my dads dad. So anyway how about those Red Wings?
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It's a fine line, isn't it? I think the morning after pill is probably a good option in a lot of cases. I totally agree on who finds themselves in that position. So many people feel no personal responsibilty for their actions. Why use birth controll or controll the urge? Just go to the free clinic and have it taken care of!
I am an advocate of forced sterilization of people who repeatedly have welfare children, abortions, commit rape and (oh, I'm going to get blasted) the mentally handicapped .
OOOOh your right that isn't very Christian of you! I agree heres some green
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