Long Rod Motor/Indy Dan

TRS · Jan 9, 2013

Decided to test a long rod motor in a 2012 800 Pro 163.
Indy Dan built the crank and shim/spacer. I used the stock Polaris pistons and monoblock. I am here to tell you, LONG ROD your motor. For the money it's the best bang for the buck. The vibration is gone. Throttle response is amazing and NO fuel controller. Send your cranks to Dan and get this done ,you will be impressed. If not Dan, send them to Brad at PAR.
Finally had some good snow in Cooke today for a real test. Played near Mutt and Jeff. Snow level this morning was in the 2'-3' range. This thing is amazing. The e-tec boys that rode it today said "WOW".
Here is the set up running in the sled:
base TPS .698
idle TPS .924
Stock primary and secondary springs
63.3 gram lightning weights
46-34F Team 04 Helix
2.25 gearing
green/white ex. springs

Thanks Indy Dan

2mileshigh · Jan 9, 2013

Just got my clutches back from Dan. Excellent workmanship; Wil be sending him my 2011 pro motor this summer. Hope it hangs till then.

AndrettiDog · Jan 9, 2013

I'm intrigued...how much?

LoudHandle · Jan 9, 2013

I have an '11 CFI LR'ed engine there ready for payment, He quoted me $2500.oo plus shipping of course. Bridges the cylinder skirts by welding and machining back to tolerance, recoats the bore and fits the cylinder properly to the stock pistons. Claims 5000+ miles is typical before a freshening is needed. Comes with his (3 yr?) warranty

******NOTE****** PAR's long rod are Taiwanese IMO you are better off going with IndyDan's american made rods!
This alone will save you from doing it twice like I'm doing. Brad claims his are billet rods made in house, THEY ARE NOT!
I had Brad at PAR do the crank work which was the same Price as Indydan is charging to LR a good crank, and comes with the gaskets and shim. If you want to chance not reworking your top end. Of course bearings or bad parts are additional.

If you just want Indy Dan to do the top end: monoblock cylinder skirts bridged and fitted to the stock pistons he told me $1000.

So if you wanted to do the assembly yourself you could do it for $1800 plus shipping.

For me it is worth the extra $700 to have Dan check the tolerances on everything and know it is spot on before it is assembled and shipped as it will be my daily driver and we don't even have heli support available locally.

Can't wait to slam it in my IQR hybrid build and rip the Chugach Range Up.

SnotNose · Jan 10, 2013

Keep us informed. Hopefully it will make the motor last. I like Dan's warranty.

adrenaline addix · Jan 11, 2013

I rode TRS's longrod and a 13 doo xm 163. I first rode the xm and i was impressed pulls hard and climbs well. Then I rode the longrod, there was no comparison.The sled pulls so hard all the way through the powerband you have to hang on. It has no vibration it just pulls, I was having flashbacks of his PSI 995. It sure put a smile on my face.:jaw:

GoBigParts · Jan 11, 2013

adrenaline addix said:
I rode TRS's longrod and a 13 doo xm 163. I first rode the xm and i was impressed pulls hard and climbs well. Then I rode the longrod, there was no comparison.The sled pulls so hard all the way through the powerband you have to hang on. It has no vibration it just pulls, I was having flashbacks of his PSI 995. It sure put a smile on my face.:jaw:

Is this a otherwise stock 800 with Indy's long rod mod? I know he claims no HP increase but damn this thing sounds sick.

TRS · Jan 11, 2013

Long rod crank. All polaris parts. No porting, pipe or can. Maybe the clutching helps?

nd_switchback · Jan 11, 2013

I posted a similar story about my 2012 long rod ProRMK a few weeks back. Ya, he doesn't claim any more HP, but I'll tell you that it FEELS like there is more HP, and those that rode it felt the power compared to last year.

I made the identical climb on the identical hill, with near same snow conditions, and this year I had to let off the throttle a bit because I was cresting it too quickly!!!!

Definite improvement of track speed.

Best money I spent!!!!

GoBigParts · Jan 12, 2013

nd_switchback said:
I posted a similar story about my 2012 long rod ProRMK a few weeks back. Ya, he doesn't claim any more HP, but I'll tell you that it FEELS like there is more HP, and those that rode it felt the power compared to last year.

I made the identical climb on the identical hill, with near same snow conditions, and this year I had to let off the throttle a bit because I was cresting it too quickly!!!!

Definite improvement of track speed.

Best money I spent!!!!

I'm sure it is from the extra efficiency of the longer rods not putting so much side load on the piston as the shorter stock rods. The best part is he offers it with a warranty.

adamg · Jan 12, 2013

What are the details of this mod? Same crankshaft? How much longer are the new rods and the height of the shim?

LoudHandle · Jan 12, 2013

adamg said:
What are the details of this mod? Same crankshaft? How much longer are the new rods and the height of the shim?

I personally am not comfortable giving out what I would consider to be proprietary information. Especially on the web. That in my opinion would be like stealing from the guy that spent the time and money to figure out what works and giving it to everybody with a search engine. In days there would be countless knock off shops springing up claiming to get the same or better results. I won't do that to him. I feel his price is reasonable and fair, so just go with the real deal.

I will say it is closer to the old big block 800 rod length but not exactly sure what that was either.

Murph · Jan 12, 2013

^^^
Couldn't agree more.

Even if you found someone to replicate, good luck getting ANYONE to stand behind it like Indy Specialties.

Three year warranty. As far as I've seen only Dan does this. Not even Polaris warrantees their motor that long-- they farm it out to an aftermarket warranty company.

TRS · Jan 13, 2013

Let more guys ride it yesterday, they can't believe the difference.
Most common comment "Why doesn't Polaris do this"

greasemonkey3406 · Jan 13, 2013

My friend out west lost the motor in his 2012 and it was out of warranty. Dealer wanted $4800 for a new engine since there was a hole in the case. I told him to call Indy Dan and ask about his long rod engine. I think he was pretty impressed about the engine and the price because he ordered one up.

aebsledder · Jan 13, 2013

Murph said:
^^^
Couldn't agree more.

Even if you found someone to replicate, good luck getting ANYONE to stand behind it like Indy Specialties.

Three year warranty. As far as I've seen only Dan does this. Not even Polaris warrantees their motor that long-- they farm it out to an aftermarket warranty company.

Since I am out of warranty, I have been toiling over what to do to make my sled more reliable. This seems to be the most likely option for me for one reason alone...his warranty. Maybe the other kits and fixes out there are reliable, but to me it speaks volumes if you are willing to stand by your work with a 3 year warranty. Now I am just crossing my fingers and hoping my engine lasts one more season. I just had a new shortblock installed under warranty last year in March, so you would think that I shouldn't be nervous. But, having first hand knowledge of Polaris's many reliability issues, I am. Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that a brand new engine vibrates like a jackhammer at certain rpms?:face-icon-small-con

LoudHandle · Jan 13, 2013

aebsledder said:
Since I am out of warranty, I have been toiling over what to do to make my sled more reliable. This seems to be the most likely option for me for one reason alone...his warranty. Maybe the other kits and fixes out there are reliable, but to me it speaks volumes if you are willing to stand by your work with a 3 year warranty. Now I am just crossing my fingers and hoping my engine lasts one more season. I just had a new shortblock installed under warranty last year in March, so you would think that I shouldn't be nervous. But, having first hand knowledge of Polaris's many reliability issues, I am. Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that a brand new engine vibrates like a jackhammer at certain rpms?:face-icon-small-con

With or without warranty I would spend the $800 and get Indydan to LR your crank and eliminate the vibration entirely. It is just a perk that you get a respectable seat of the pants gain in the process. With the longer rod I don't think the cylinder skirts are an issue anymore.

SnotNose · Jan 14, 2013

Sounds like my crankshaft is headed to Indy Dan this spring, hope it stays together till then.

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cwbyup_22 · Jan 14, 2013

aebsledder said:
Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that a brand new engine vibrates like a jackhammer at certain rpms?:face-icon-small-con

I had a new short block installed in my sled last spring also and yesterday I pulled the head off to reinstall my PAR head and was really surprised/scared how much rock the pistons actually had throughout the entire stroke, I only have about 150 miles on the new engine. I am definitely sending Indy Dan my engine next year!!

adamg · Jan 14, 2013

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