Dumb Rule

Slick · Feb 28, 2010

I really have questions as to the motivation for some of the rules in place. One in particular, the asteriks designed to mask swear words. How dumb would a younger person have to be to be fooled by "a**hole, or f**ker, or bast**d. I know personally if my kids were reading these posts and said hey Dad, what does this mean ? I'd be embarrassed in how dumb they are.
Any parents who give free internet reign to their kids are making a conscious decision as to what level of censorship they authorize for their children. I suggest that each parent is the best choice for that decision, not a group of 4m police who I believe have an agenda other than protecting children from hearing unacceptable language. If you want to eliminate it, then sack up and do it, the ones who don't agree will leave, but to x out a couple letters is just silly and displays to me more of a mindset of control freak mentality, not really accomplishing anything other than proving you have the power, a trait that seems to be very prevalent among the 4m bosses. IMO.

skibreeze · Feb 28, 2010

No ****!

tudizzle · Feb 28, 2010

My children are not allowed on internet sites where they can interact with complete strangers...I don't care what the **** they are saying.

Anybody that allows that should be worried about alot more then what type of language is being used.

mtnpull · Feb 28, 2010

Agreed dizzle. However, I think if there is only a couple of letters blocked out it is the user doing it. Usually the software blocks out all of the letter of the word. Let's try it out.

*****
****
****
*******
****
****er
****

mtnpull · Feb 28, 2010

Looks like all but one.....how about that.:face-icon-small-ton

94fordguy · Feb 28, 2010

mtnpull said:
Agreed dizzle. However, I think if there is only a couple of letters blocked out it is the user doing it. Usually the software blocks out all of the letter of the word. Let's try it out.

*****
****
****
*******
****
****er
****

mtnpull said:
Looks like all but one.....how about that.:face-icon-small-ton

Very effective demonstration, hahaha:face-icon-small-ton:face-icon-small-sho:beer;

And to answer the question, not only are the words censored for kids, but there are some adults that don't like that sort of thing... flame on if you wish :flame: but that is the answer to the question.:beer;

backcountryislife · Feb 28, 2010

Yeah, you don't want to offend the sensitive religious eyes....

God forbid they should come in contact with reality.

edit: the dislike button is right over there---------------->

JustinB · Feb 28, 2010

Why you bash'n the LDS I see others who are religious who are more sensitive to words! (yes I'm am LDS! Yes I swear!, No I haven't been to church in 4 years but I still know others who are active!) All I'm saying I would want my kids on here or any other chat room till they are old enough to know what the **** stand for. My thought is if you where at a bank asking for a loan do you swear and talk nasty to the loan officer? So why cant we have intelligent conversations with real words. (Dont get me wrong after 2 Years working next to to English guys my mouth is worse than the next persons but still!)

Adrenalin · Mar 1, 2010

dont know what the big deal is ?

i agree you should have better control of your kids if you dont want them reading those words , as for the adults ..... im sorry you lived such sheltered lives , maybe im just jelious ?

for what its worth im an auto tech , pretty decent one at that , make decent money and swear very often not that im always having a hard time working on said car its just a part of my vocabulary ,

for what its worth when i was applying for a loan for my new 4 wheeler last month i cussed at my Asian loan officer / bank manager and she just kinda giggled lol and i also got the loan

honeslty i think its more christpher doesnt like swearing not so much the members, least ive never seen a member complain . seen chris and company edit posts the god , is that possible ?

backcountryislife · Mar 1, 2010

Cntrvl Sledder said:
Why you bash'n the LDS I see others who are religious who are more sensitive to words!

The only reason I mention LDS over any other oversensitive bunch is that Christopher also manages an LDS site, ldsavow

some rules from that site might feel awful familiar to how things are being run here now.

"This is a private site and the owner makes the rules in accordance with the guidance he has received from the leaders of our church.

#2
All members are required to stay within the outlined subject matter. If your discussion is not related to one of our existing topics, please don't post it.

#3
Bashing of others will not be tolerated. If you disagree with someone's opinion, use the phrase "I respectfully disagree with your opinion" and just agree to disagree. We are all adults and should act accordingly.

#4
Please do not post any anti-religion, anti-church, anti-Brethren or Prophet bashing materials. Even cleverly disguised anti-church apostate material will not be tolerated. We have seen it often and recognize it for what it is.

#5
Apostate doctrines should not be discussed, it is simply not something we allow here. One such topic is practice of polygamy. The vast majority of us have heard the arguments of the apostate doctrine and simply refute them."

Slick · Mar 1, 2010

We....I....Us..... doesn't seem to talk much about whats in it for ......You !

Thats sorta my point, sure doesn't sound much like a sledders 4m that I would recognize, other than the name.

mtnpull · Mar 1, 2010

backcountryislife said:
The only reason I mention LDS over any other oversensitive bunch is that Christopher also manages an LDS site, ldsavow

some rules from that site might feel awful familiar to how things are being run here now.

"This is a private site and the owner makes the rules in accordance with the guidance he has received from the leaders of our church.

#2
All members are required to stay within the outlined subject matter. If your discussion is not related to one of our existing topics, please don't post it.

#3
Bashing of others will not be tolerated. If you disagree with someone's opinion, use the phrase "I respectfully disagree with your opinion" and just agree to disagree. We are all adults and should act accordingly.

#4
Please do not post any anti-religion, anti-church, anti-Brethren or Prophet bashing materials. Even cleverly disguised anti-church apostate material will not be tolerated. We have seen it often and recognize it for what it is.

#5
Apostate doctrines should not be discussed, it is simply not something we allow here. One such topic is practice of polygamy. The vast majority of us have heard the arguments of the apostate doctrine and simply refute them."

You are still throwing a whole bunch of people under the bus and not just Christopher when you make those type of comments.

CatWoman · Mar 1, 2010

One thing I'd add is, that yes for the most part you don't see members complain in a thread. They DO however hit the report button.

skibreeze · Mar 1, 2010

CatWoman said:
One thing I'd add is, that yes for the most part you don't see members complain in a thread. They DO however hit the report button.

So, they are tattle tales then............

EagleRiverDee · Mar 1, 2010

I agree with CNTRVLSLEDDER. Religion is irrelevant to this discussion and ought to be left out of it. This is a SLEDDING forum, not a religious forum. No one has any call to be attacking any particular faith.

backcountryislife · Mar 1, 2010

EagleRiverDee said:
I agree with CNTRVLSLEDDER. Religion is irrelevant to this discussion and ought to be left out of it. This is a SLEDDING forum, not a religious forum. No one has any call to be attacking any particular faith.

When the people who feel their faith should overrule how the rest of us interact, then that faith comes into play.

btw, I've got tons of friends that are Mormons, I've got absolutely nothing against that particular faith, but the far out whack jobs of ANY religion (including mine, catholicism. I grew up in the church, went to a catholic school...) feel they need to impose their morality on the rest of us. They hate the idea of political socialism, but that is just another type of socialism. I've got ZERO dislike for 99 percent of Christians who can take the bible with a grain of salt, the fundamentalists of any faith however, are a confused bunch.

"It's a sled site, not a religious site"... exactly. I think that's exactly what this kind of thread is about.

EagleRiverDee · Mar 1, 2010

backcountryislife said:
When the people who feel their faith should overrule how the rest of us interact, then that faith comes into play.

btw, I've got tons of friends that are Mormons, I've got absolutely nothing against that particular faith, but the far out whack jobs of ANY religion (including mine, catholicism. I grew up in the church, went to a catholic school...) feel they need to impose their morality on the rest of us. They hate the idea of political socialism, but that is just another type of socialism. I've got ZERO dislike for 99 percent of Christians who can take the bible with a grain of salt, the fundamentalists of any faith however, are a confused bunch.

"It's a sled site, not a religious site"... exactly. I think that's exactly what this kind of thread is about.

Every forum I participate in has "nanny software" that prevents cuss words from being posted. I hardly think that means that Christopher is a religious zealot. IMO, if you didn't know Christopher was LDS, you wouldn't have come to the conclusion you have come to. Ever hear of "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" arguments? You are making an assumption that the forum rules have something to do with Christopher's religion, when in fact the forum rules are in line with every other forum I've ever seen and are more lenient than several. One forum I participate in (a medical forum) will ban you on the spot if you use inappropriate language, go off topic or make a personal attack, or even if you post a link to another site regardless of what the site is. Another forum I participate in (a newspaper forum) will ban you for attacking another member, going off topic or using cuss words. This forum isn't particularly strict. Should I start assuming those other forums are being run by religious zealots, now, or would it be more logical to assume that the strict rules are in place because they are trying to keep a forum with thousands of members under control and only about 1% of the people are the trouble makers? I think SW does a good job of allowing for free speech- and even a certain amount of attacks- while clamping down on the more egregious stuff.

tudizzle · Mar 1, 2010

I like how CS sticks up for the LDS then makes a comment about English people swearing alot?

Sterotypes are a funny thing :beer;

backcountryislife · Mar 1, 2010

Dee, I understand your point, and will admit to a bit of guilt in making that assumption:face-icon-small-dis, but...

You're comparing apples to cows in the type of forums you mentioned. Two professional/ industry boards compared to a snowmobiling forum, not in the same league, not even playing the same game.

There are a TON of other forums online about sledding or motorsports in general, and while I'm not a member of all of them, I've been to quite a few through search results & the like, and SW is the only one I know that modifies our posts in any way. I also am a member of quite a few other boards (kayaking, kiteboarding, snowboarding, mountainbiking, climbing...) and have NEVER run across the kind of heavy handed attitudes I see here.

My complaint actually has nothing to do with the asterisks, I actually could care less if I never see the F word in print or any others, I get the point when I see the ***. My point is that people have been banned or nicked for swearing when you can't actually swear on here anyhow. Also, the attitude that comes from being a self righteous zealot type is the attitude that you're right & no dissenting ideas could possibly hold water, THIS is exactly what I see here & is exactly what has kept me from giving them my money.

Every time I decide to just avoid these discussions & get what I can from the first 75 posts in a thread, I run across another heavy handed decision or over moderated situation where people feel the need to control what other people are saying, this goes against the whole idea of this kind of board to me.

btw, something to mill over...

I've seen links to snowest showing a thread that had info on nearly every other website, and from other sites to other sites. Just the other day someone tried to link to a thread on BCR to show some pics & you can't do that here.

THE ONLY SITE THAT KEEPS YOU FROM LINKING TO INFORMATION ON ANOTHER SITE IS THIS ONE.

EagleRiverDee · Mar 1, 2010

backcountryislife said:
Dee, I understand your point, and will admit to a bit of guilt in making that assumption:face-icon-small-dis, but...

You're comparing apples to cows in the type of forums you mentioned. Two professional/ industry boards compared to a snowmobiling forum, not in the same league, not even playing the same game.

There are a TON of other forums online about sledding or motorsports in general, and while I'm not a member of all of them, I've been to quite a few through search results & the like, and SW is the only one I know that modifies our posts in any way. I also am a member of quite a few other boards (kayaking, kiteboarding, snowboarding, mountainbiking, climbing...) and have NEVER run across the kind of heavy handed attitudes I see here.

My complaint actually has nothing to do with the asterisks, I actually could care less if I never see the F word in print or any others, I get the point when I see the ***. My point is that people have been banned or nicked for swearing when you can't actually swear on here anyhow. Also, the attitude that comes from being a self righteous zealot type is the attitude that you're right & no dissenting ideas could possibly hold water, THIS is exactly what I see here & is exactly what has kept me from giving them my money.

Every time I decide to just avoid these discussions & get what I can from the first 75 posts in a thread, I run across another heavy handed decision or over moderated situation where people feel the need to control what other people are saying, this goes against the whole idea of this kind of board to me.

btw, something to mill over...

I've seen links to snowest showing a thread that had info on nearly every other website, and from other sites to other sites. Just the other day someone tried to link to a thread on BCR to show some pics & you can't do that here.

THE ONLY SITE THAT KEEPS YOU FROM LINKING TO INFORMATION ON ANOTHER SITE IS THIS ONE.

You make a good point that I wasn't doing an apples to apples comparison of forum types. I am a member of DooTalk forums, and the Alaska Outdoors Forums and also the Rebels forum. IMO, Rebels is the most lenient forum. Pretty much anything goes there. DooTalk is slightly more strict, and the Alaska Outdoors Forum does not allow members to cuss, bash each other or to bash vendors by name. Thread drift is discouraged there.

I do agree that some of the censorship tactics used lately by site admin and the mods have been heavy handed. I've made comments about that myself, and can only assume that it is a reaction to the massive and largely negative response by members to the recent changes. I do think that the mods should only enforce the rules as posted.

I think we agree more than we disagree. I do prefer a forum to allow for free speech for the most part, for free posting of links provided it's not for spam purposes, and I think a little disagreement can be healthy. My main point is just that I don't think this is a religious issue- nor do I want to see it become one.

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