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This Is A Must See!! Unreal Technology..

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Nate

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That was actually on snowest 2 years ago

Funny thing though, he could have sold the patent to an oil company and they could have just put it on the shelf so when oil runs out, they can charge us $3.20 for 12fl.oz of water

Dont hear about it, they either killed him, or bought him out.
 

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Kind of curious the consequences of something like this. There are a lot of places where water is a shortage, I assume they would be taking out of the supply?
 
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Oh God, not this again. Look up Brown's Gas, or Hydrogen-Hydroxide. This is the same old scam that people keep running. Water as a fuel source, sorry it won't work.

Don't confuse this with a fully electrolyzed separator, which produces two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. And stores them in tanks. They are a decent way to store energy.

This guy is making Browns Gas. You take water, you put electricity to it, to partial electrolyze it. Another words, you strip one hydrogen atom off. Then you burn the hydrogen back with the HO Hydroxide, and make a cool weird flame. Once it's burned, it results in water. This hydrogen - hydroxide gas has been used for years in the jewelry world.

Now the take the exhaust (water) and put it back in the engine (as a fuel). Now, if your really producing more energy than your putting in as electricity, you've just created the worlds first perpetual motion, or better yet, free energy. I don't think the laws of thermodynamics allows for that.

Sorry, technology scams bug me.
 
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And the key is using electricity to make the water into the flammable product. Lots of electricity. The kind you burn fossil fuels to make, or nuclear power plants to generate.
The water might be free but the electricity needed in the process sure isn't.
 
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you've just created the worlds first perpetual motion, or better yet, free energy. I don't think the laws of thermodynamics allows for that.

Sorry, technology scams bug me.

dude...perpetual motion?!!! AWESOME!!! sign me up! 2nd law of thermo be dammed! :D
 
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Yha, most scientist call bull on this one.

Here's the dudes old company, he left for some reason: http://www.hytechapps.com/

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame

Another page just talking about it: http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/56/t/002848.html

The key to watch for, is that Klein claimed to have invented a new form of matter. So, current science makes it impossible to debunk. The fact they aren't everywhere speaks volumes.

There was another one of these also, a guy (John Kanzius) that claimed he invented radio waves that would burn salt and make power. His is a lot harder to debunk, because know one actually understands how it works. And, he'll show it too you. Really cool, just not probable.

There is a REAL water powered engine that actually follows the laws of thermo. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE

Believe it or not, this guy has invented a real gas mileage improver, that makes sense. It basically turns the heat put out by the gas burning, into horsepower, the exhuast is cool. It burns a normal 4 stroke gas burn, then a 2 stroke water to steam cycle. IMO it will really work. It's kind of a gas/steam engine. Thermal recovery is a great way to improve efficiency. That's how they are improving coal fired power plants now.
 
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Hey Racer, thanks for the link to the GM Hydrogen Fuel Cell Concept car. Finally got time to watch it. That's a pretty slick design.

What GM built was a Liquidified Hydrogen Fuel Cell powered car. The story was a little misleading. You can get Hydrogen from water, but currently they predominately get hydrogen from Natural Gas (methane CH4). Since it costs less. You use a chemical process to disassociate the hydrogen from the carbon, which results in lots of carbon dioxide and a big tank of hydrogen gas. You also have to figure out what to do with all that carbon dioxide, or the greenies will hate you. Methane is a fossil fuel also, the result of decomposition of plant/animal matter in the absence of oxygen.

Getting hydrogen from water though, requires huge amounts of electricity. The process is called Electrolysis. In the end, you get a lot less energy out of the hydrogen, than it took to make it. 30% to 50% less.

Electrolysis

By the way, that car runs on liquidified hydrogen gas, hugely expensive to produce since you have to turn a gas into a liquid. Notice it doesn't have huge 5000psi storage tanks.

Fuel cells are neat, they don't burn the gas they combine hydrogen with oxygen (makes water), through a super high tech membrane, releasing an electron, that is captured and then drives an electric motor. Fuel cells are actually more efficient at making power than burning hydrogen directly.

Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars

Making hydrogen from water with electrolysis takes huge amounts of electricity. The power to do this has to be made somewhere. That'd be coal in the USA. The GM car isn't a scam, it attempt to use a fuel that can be made somewhere, and the end user can then use it without producing any pollution. The manufacturer of hydrogen makes huge pollution, but that can be controlled by the government. The whole hydrogen economy would work, but there's better ways to run cars. Probably work good in a communist society.
 

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That'd be coal in the USA.

Ideally with an over penetration of renewable energy (more supply than demand), electrolysis would be a perfect variable load tool to match times when there is too much wind and not enough load. Instead of curtailing the power output of the wind farms, crank up the load from the electrolysis systems and produce hydrogen. Since the wind farms are able to sell power they otherwise wouldn't, it could be sold at a reduced rate. It would be interesting to see what a large amount of controlled load electrolysis systems would be able to do from a stability/regulation stand point. There might be some financial incentives if you could control 100MW swings in load in a diversified manner.
 
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