How else could you compete with a bc 275??
Last year for the Suzuki 1100 now what
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I was thinking between the 240-250hp range for race gas. Go big or go home. If your going to spend the money on a turbo why only run it half way? I've owned a 11t with the bc 275 kit and know what they will do first hand, and I know my tm8 would give that thing a run for its money on a chute, in the trees I wouldn't even waste my gas on the challenge cause we all know what one would win. Don't get me wrong the bc 11t ran good but the sled just didn't excite me in the trees. I was wore out by the time I got to the chutes!
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That's fair, I wouldn't pick an 1100 for tree riding either if that is mostly what I rode. It wears you out for sure. Guys that ride 75/25, open to trees, are the potential 4s guys. The most common thing I hear as a dealer for why people go 4s is the stock 2s won't get me where I want to go. Is that partially skill level? Probably. Not everyone wants to try that hard to get over the hill to the next bowl, and that's ok too. As long as everyone has fun in their own way that's all that matters.
Your right. Over here guys run up to 12 psi at sea level on straight pumpgas with lowered compressiom. They are around 220hp at 12 psi.
Running 8 psi on racgas at 9k elevation seems like waste of money and hp.
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In my experience most guys buy a rg kit so they aren't shoehorned into a pump gas they out grow in a year. Very few i know are running over 12lbs, a lot has to do with the availability of av and the expense of 110. Waste of a rg kit, maybe, but cheaper than changing to a rg kit next year. Most of our riding is 6-8k but I know lots down south that are 10-12k so I was taking an average.
Sorry for the derailment of your thread AT :face-icon-small-coo I started a new one to do this discussion so we can continue this over there.
I think the bottom line is a 4s will never be as light as a 2s because the motor won't allow it to be. Guys going to a 150hp 4s, that is close to the weight of a 2s, will be thrilled.....if they haven't rode a big hp 4s previously and like that feeling.
Sorry for the derailment of your thread AT :face-icon-small-coo I started a new one to do this discussion so we can continue this over there.
I think the bottom line is a 4s will never be as light as a 2s because the motor won't allow it to be. Guys going to a 150hp 4s, that is close to the weight of a 2s, will be thrilled.....if they haven't rode a big hp 4s previously and like that feeling.
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At 8-10k if you're running av to run 9 psi, again... you're not treating your wallet right. 9 is pump gas level for 8-10k (I can run 91 ethanol fuel and run 10.5 safely, 11 on the edge without a timing key), 11.5 is STARTING to get into a real RG setup, and 12.5-14 is just a medium RG level that we can still run on 25% RG or 50-60% av gas. to run 100% av up here we get into the 16 range on a properly built turbo kit. (btw, these numbers are all without an intercooler... cause we don't need one more thing adding weight to the front of the sled)
So, at 13ish... we should be in the 220+ range EASILY without reaching too hard for numbers.
You say 40 lbs of weight loss, but I only care about the losses that directly make up for motor weight. Any weight loss to the skid doesn't help at all for me (I actually feel the same way on my 2 strokes, I could care less about back of sled weight loss) now, if you could lose 40 JUST in the front of the machine, then I'd be closer to being interested.
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Front of sled. In the same area of the engine.
Belt drive -11lbs
Aarms -6lbs
Hood -16lbs
Exhaust -10lbs
There is your 43lbs in the engine area. That should put your sled within 30lbs of a stock 2012 m8 for about 4000.
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So with that 4k spent to get the 11t within 30lbs of an m8 (with no engine mods) I could turn around and spend that 4k on a turbo for the m8 and then be leaps and bounds ahead of the 11t with more power and less weight. Right?
4k for a turbo? Where are you getting a race gas turbo for 4k? 7k is more like it. You might be able to get a pump gas boony kit for 4k. And maybe actually ride it 3 or 4 days out of the year The rest of the season is spent with the hood open and tuning. So, quality race gas turbo kit 7k. So that brings a new proclimb m8 with rave gas kit to around 19k and 230hp. New 1100t with 4000$ in lightweight goodies is around 17,500$. So that leaves 1500 to spend on more power or whatever you please.
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I just find people like you that buy sleds, put a sh!t ton of money in them then ride it for 150 miles and then sell it. So ya, you could find a race gas kit for 4k
So I'm the one who buys sleds, barely rides them and sells them? Hu?! I believe i traded my 09 m8 that I bought for $8500 put 900 miles on it and bought a $7000 ovs race gas kit ($15,500 total) plus a mini cat 120. So ($16,600) to you for a 2012 1100t with 600 miles and azz load of evo shtuff. Total around ($20,000) at least. And I'm still making 40 more hp!!!! So don't give me this "I have cheep hp bs". You lost your azz! Now you have to calculate your loss on your 1100 and add it to the price of your tm8.
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Might of lost money on the deal but hey, at least I got a solid sled out of the deal. I saved myself a lot of money by dumping that boat anchor off to you, and now your wanting to dump it off to someone else for the same reasons I did. The kicker is you better be ready to loose your shorts on the deal now because you'll be lucky to get 10k for that. People can't even give those 11t's away right now, there have been three posted up for sale in the past couple days on here. Looks to me like you gambled on a fart and lost!
You see the asking price on those sleds? 18k and 15k?? I could price my big shiny black boat anchor at 12 and look like a saint!!! But hey. Maybe I'll just keep it. Put a 174 3" on it. And show your flat landing azz how to ride the sled you were to much of a pu$$y to ride!!!
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Good luck.......you'll have to make it past noon to show me how to do that. Watch out for that tree!!!!
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Now back to topic..........
....children please lol.
T1100t was shy on the lost weight for the exhaust at only 10 (more like 16 if straight pipe) and don't forget the 10lbs in a battery. Around 60 lbs off, we weighted a tm8 at 65lbs less than the stock 1100. Hence the spend 10k on each one and where are you at. Av reflash on a stock turbo is a little over 230hp.
T1100t was shy on the lost weight for the exhaust at only 10 (more like 16 if straight pipe) and don't forget the 10lbs in a battery. Around 60 lbs off, we weighted a tm8 at 65lbs less than the stock 1100. Hence the spend 10k on each one and where are you at. Av reflash on a stock turbo is a little over 230hp.
Seems like a huge weight savings is with the headlight delete and hood, Just curious how everyone makes it without a good headlight? Are the head lamps that people are using after the headlight delete really that bright?
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You shouldnt even be able to compare the stock headlight to an LED Lightbar. I have a 6" LED and love it. Something you just have to see in person to see how bright it actually is. Setup on the high beam side as an on off switch. Wouldnt ever use a stock headlight again plus they just look cool.
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One thing Im going to try this year to see if it will lose any weight and make things easier is to get the race body mounted onto the sled. I have the side panels and front airbox. Just need acouple other parts to get it all done. I dont know how much it will lose but the race panels dont weight much and they take the place of the side panel, rear console, and hood side. Heres a pic you can kinda see the difference between them
You got pictures of one installed?
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