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860 clutching thread

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09 163 XP, 410 lbs. dry weight.
SHR 860 w/ HPS can, stock Pipe.
ShockwaveSecondary
SHR Primary Set -up with pin weight to my preference.

Holds 8200-8300 all day long in 2-3 feet of deep on clicker 3 up to about 9500'.

over 9500, sometimes click to 4 or adjust Shockwave depending on my mood :D

It works OK ;)
 

BIG JOHN

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2009 Hillclimb 155/16/2.5
SHR860R
21/49 104 chain no adjuster
fett arms (42.5 grams), 15 grams, 417/412 ramps, clicker 3 or 4
SWV at 48/45 to 46/43 (3 1/4 turn out +- 1/4 turn) RER spring with tab ground off
7163'-9412'...8100-8200 rpm...300 lb big dummy cant sidehill'n flatlander rider...

...just lifts the skis an inch or two....22 mph track speed...51 mph top end...I wouldnt recomend it...LOL-BJ
 
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I
Dec 14, 2001
1,377
508
113
Archer, Idaho
2009 hillclimb 155/16/2.5
shr860r
21/49 104 chain no adjuster
fett arms (42.5 grams), 15 grams, 417/412 ramps, clicker 3 or 4
swv at 48/45 to 46/43 (3 1/4 turn out +- 1/4 turn) rer spring with tab ground off
7163'-9412'...8100-8200 rpm...300 lb big dummy cant sidehill'n flatlander rider...

...just lifts the skis an inch or two....22 mph track speed...51 mph top end...i wouldnt recomend it...lol-bj

lmfsbo
 

2revbigbore

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where are you guys with jetting
started with BJ's recommended 470's and 20thou shim
down to 460's and 20 thou
egt's showed up on thursday I'll install today
I fouled a set of plugs on break in trail ride--- installed new plugs and didn't even make it back to the truck?
145psi at 9000'
leak down is 1.5%
140 miles on new 860shr 163" 14.7 rkt head, hps can
160/320 purple purple
started with 12mm set screw( pulled 7900 on flats 7750 hill)
now have 7mm sets ( pulls 8050 flats 7900 on hills)
stock secondary
runs real close to stock right now--- looking like this thread is heading in a good direction
hope this thing can run as good as my 840 shr
 

byeatts

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where are you guys with jetting
started with BJ's recommended 470's and 20thou shim
down to 460's and 20 thou
egt's showed up on thursday I'll install today
I fouled a set of plugs on break in trail ride--- installed new plugs and didn't even make it back to the truck?
145psi at 9000'
leak down is 1.5%
140 miles on new 860shr 163" 14.7 rkt head, hps can
160/320 purple purple
started with 12mm set screw( pulled 7900 on flats 7750 hill)
now have 7mm sets ( pulls 8050 flats 7900 on hills)
stock secondary
runs real close to stock right now--- looking like this thread is heading in a good direction
hope this thing can run as good as my 840 shr
Well BJ,s jetting base lines are very good however there are a few things to consider.Shiming the needle works well @ 6000 ft. and lower. Clean crisp throttle response.However at higher altitudes ,on two new 860,s and 880 all three had to remove all shims. Take a look at the DPM. Service manual gives the clue.It dosnt even start to reduce bowl pressure till 3500 rpm,s.Look at hose config. A small hole on the bottom of carbs in front of the slide is where the vaccume signal is provided.Its not untill about 6000 rpms, that full vaccume is seen and therefore shims at high altitude will run PIG rich untill it cleans up with dpm at higher Rpm,s.DPM will not lean to its full potential at cracked throttle positions , 860,s are generally 440 /450 mains at 7000ft up with no shim and EGT,s are 1150 mid and 1200 WOT..Wash and plug reads confirm this as well.Still fine adjusting and will forward the end results. Both SHR,860,s run very strong and outperform the 880.many other factors come into play,Pipes,Intake ect and the most important is Clutching,The load the clutching provides will make HUGE noticable jetting changes,As much as Two main jet sizes. Load the engine and signal increases and pulls more fuel.This is why Power jets deliver no additional fuel when running a sled on stand.No load even at Full throttle!Back to the topic ""Clutching.""I suggest it!As for SHR. I suggest it as well.Bob
 
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not sure if i go with your conclusion here

i ran the 30tho shim two years and if not i no for a fact that it would of seized due to high egts, never had any issues with running them up to 10000 feet and sled never ran pig rich, and still had to keep a eye on egts in the midrange

also never yet seen the 880 take the back seat to any of the 860 kits

we will be dynoing a rkt, bjs, bmp and splitseconds this next week, and results will be public, but from seat of pants the tq of the 880 will stronger




Well BJ,s jetting base lines are very good however there are a few things to consider.Shiming the needle works well @ 6000 ft. and lower. Clean crisp throttle response.However at higher altitudes ,on two new 860,s and 880 all three had to remove all shims. Take a look at the DPM. Service manual gives the clue.It dosnt even start to reduce bowl pressure till 3500 rpm,s.Look at hose config. A small hole on the bottom of carbs in front of the slide is where the vaccume signal is provided.Its not untill about 6000 rpms, that full vaccume is seen and therefore shims at high altitude will run PIG rich untill it cleans up with dpm at higher Rpm,s.DPM will not lean to its full potential at cracked throttle positions , 860,s are generally 440 /450 mains at 7000ft up with no shim and EGT,s are 1150 mid and 1200 WOT..Wash and plug reads confirm this as well.Still fine adjusting and will forward the end results. Both SHR,860,s run very strong and outperform the 880.many other factors come into play,Pipes,Intake ect and the most important is Clutching,The load the clutching provides will make HUGE noticable jetting changes,As much as Two main jet sizes. Load the engine and signal increases and pulls more fuel.This is why Power jets deliver no additional fuel when running a sled on stand.No load even at Full throttle!Back to the topic ""Clutching.""I suggest it!As for SHR. I suggest it as well.Bob
 
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08 xp 860 tryg , 154, toms 45 gram arms, stock pins, 417 ramps, 1.4 g pin weight.
seems good, but need more powder to fully test.
 

byeatts

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not sure if i go with your conclusion here

i ran the 30tho shim two years and if not i no for a fact that it would of seized due to high egts, never had any issues with running them up to 10000 feet and sled never ran pig rich, and still had to keep a eye on egts in the midrange

also never yet seen the 880 take the back seat to any of the 860 kits

we will be dynoing a rkt, bjs, bmp and splitseconds this next week, and results will be public, but from seat of pants the tq of the 880 will stronger

I agree the 880 has a bit more bottom torque .On long pulls the edge goes to the 860.This is due to tighter piston /cylinder clearances at .055 and the Weisco is .066 on the 880. The 880 does need additional fuel in fact I run 540 mains to try to keep the forged pistons from growing.. Seems what everbody has at the time is the best. I have both 860 and 880 and both with Race cranks, The 880 on a short Dyno pull may squeek a few more ponies however in real conditions I think not.It will be very interesting to see your Dyno results, My guess is if you run .030 shim your main jets are somewhere around 480,s to 500 ? regaurdless i,m sure your sled runs strong and a well tuned BB is loads of fun.
 
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where are you guys with jetting
started with BJ's recommended 470's and 20thou shim
down to 460's and 20 thou
egt's showed up on thursday I'll install today
I fouled a set of plugs on break in trail ride--- installed new plugs and didn't even make it back to the truck?
145psi at 9000'
leak down is 1.5%
140 miles on new 860shr 163" 14.7 rkt head, hps can
160/320 purple purple
started with 12mm set screw( pulled 7900 on flats 7750 hill)
now have 7mm sets ( pulls 8050 flats 7900 on hills)
stock secondary
runs real close to stock right now--- looking like this thread is heading in a good direction
hope this thing can run as good as my 840 shr


I would put my $$ on a bad DPM solenoid....or just sticking. Go back to 470's, make SURE that solenoid is working. Mine is plenty lean with 470's, wouldn't want to go any leaner on my particular setup.
 
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byeatts

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I would put my $$ on a bad DPM solenoid....or just sticking. Go back to 470's, make SURE that solenoid is working. Mine is plenty lean with 470's, wouldn't want to go any leaner on my particular setup.

What altitude do you ride?
 

byeatts

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2500-7000ft mostly....13.5:1 head. 470 and needle shim, needs a little race fuel to avoid deto.
At below 7000ft, I can run a .020 shim with crisp throttle response. Go higher and engine will run very rich on the bottom since DPM does absolutly nothing till rpm,s reach 3500 and then progressivly begins to lean to the rpms of 6000.Thus a shim for lower altitude will not be correct at higher altitudes and will run rich.My Egt,s are 1050 WOT with 470,s and plugs much darker then they should be for optimum Hp.I,ve read post where RKT has suggested 440,s as well for high elevations?
 

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I've been thinking of getting all the snowest 800R big bore guys together. It would be a lot of fun. I'd would be real cool to get all these things together and compare side by side and exchange thoughts. I'm in salt lake, we could find some place realtively close for all who want to attend.

Other than that, I've seen guys running 412, 417, 441 and most recently 433 ramps in thier 860/880's. anyone that ramps and clutching tools to the hill and compared these in one ride, swapping out parts?
 
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I've been thinking of getting all the snowest 800R big bore guys together. It would be a lot of fun. I'd would be real cool to get all these things together and compare side by side and exchange thoughts. ?

I will be in revy this weekend. the only Red XP on the hill.
 

winter brew

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I've been thinking of getting all the snowest 800R big bore guys together. It would be a lot of fun. I'd would be real cool to get all these things together and compare side by side and exchange thoughts. I'm in salt lake, we could find some place realtively close for all who want to attend.

Other than that, I've seen guys running 412, 417, 441 and most recently 433 ramps in thier 860/880's. anyone that ramps and clutching tools to the hill and compared these in one ride, swapping out parts?

We change ramps, springs, helix's o the snow.....try to get different combo's same day and against another "baseline" sled for comparison.
You can add 2 more ramp profiles to that list. We have a couple more helix's on order to play with. Have been using the Shockwave as a tool and playing with different angles at different speeds/conditions to see where the engine reacts the best.....the list of things to try is getting smaller, hopefully the end result is as good as I hope it can be! :beer;:)
 

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We change ramps, springs, helix's o the snow.....try to get different combo's same day and against another "baseline" sled for comparison.
You can add 2 more ramp profiles to that list. We have a couple more helix's on order to play with. Have been using the Shockwave as a tool and playing with different angles at different speeds/conditions to see where the engine reacts the best.....the list of things to try is getting smaller, hopefully the end result is as good as I hope it can be! :beer;:)
What a graet Idea!hope you get a big turnout .
 

BIG JOHN

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where are you guys with jetting
started with BJ's recommended 470's and 20thou shim
down to 460's and 20 thou
egt's showed up on thursday I'll install today
I fouled a set of plugs on break in trail ride--- installed new plugs and didn't even make it back to the truck?
145psi at 9000'
leak down is 1.5%
140 miles on new 860shr 163" 14.7 rkt head, hps can
160/320 purple purple
started with 12mm set screw( pulled 7900 on flats 7750 hill)
now have 7mm sets ( pulls 8050 flats 7900 on hills)
stock secondary
runs real close to stock right now--- looking like this thread is heading in a good direction
hope this thing can run as good as my 840 shr


Jason- fouled plugs??? check DPM manifold...please call...something isnt right...BJ
 
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John,
He is not alone. Something odd happenes over 10000 feet on the 860s. They get very rich at idle and slow speeds under 5000 rpms. I have fouled plugs myself.
After riding and going downhill past 9000 feet its fine. Im going to try a smaller PJ the next time out. ( mixture screws at 1 turn out now )

Keith
 
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