08/09 800 recall...

icr · Jul 14, 2009

mountainhorse said:
Put it this way....
If you were a plumber and installed new, to code, in a home and did a good job. Then the homeowner installed a high presure shower system with a booster pump on your plumbing to double the pressure...then the pipes burst in the walls... would you cover it.

I see your point, but let's put it this way....

You needed your house plumbed and made the mistake of hiring a polaris engineer to do it. He did a terrible, not to code, half arsed job that leaked every where even before you installed your high pressure shower system. Now that polaris plumber is going around to all his other clients and redoing his work so he doesn't get run out of town, but won't do yours because even though 80% of the houses he plumbed seize-um-leaked, he claims your high pressure shower system caused the leaks on your water system. Sure

Personally I don't own a high pressure water system, or a dragon, or anything with a polaris engine at all, but I think polaris needs to update all the 800s regardless of shower boosters, unless the shower booster owner doesn't want the update because it won't work with his high pressure system.

TREE MAGNET · Jul 15, 2009

icr said:
i see your point, but let's put it this way....

You needed your house plumbed and made the mistake of hiring a polaris engineer to do it. He did a terrible, not to code, half arsed job that leaked every where even before you installed your high pressure shower system. Now that polaris plumber is going around to all his other clients and redoing his work so he doesn't get run out of town, but won't do yours because even though 80% of the houses he plumbed seize-um-leaked, he claims your high pressure shower system caused the leaks on your water system. Sure

Personally i don't own a high pressure water system, or a dragon, or anything with a polaris engine at all, but i think polaris needs to update all the 800s regardless of shower boosters, unless the shower booster owner doesn't want the update because it won't work with his high pressure system.

so put that in ur pipe and shmoke it!

thefullmonte · Jul 15, 2009

It will be interesting to see what Polaris does in these cases. Many turbo guys may not need....want...or desire the fix anyway as their systems my be running perfectly in their modded state already.
I do have to agree with ICR on this. This isn't a problem that is resulting from a modification done to a product. It is a manufacture defect that is more than likely effecting all machines in one way or another. Basically, they sold a faulty product.
I certainly understand Polaris needs to do this in the most cost effective way possible. However, Polaris seems reluctant to learn from their prior mistakes. Would you rather do it right the first time or spend the next 3 years and millions of dollars to fix it? It would seem they prefer the latter.

wej388 · Jul 15, 2009

He did a terrible, not to code, half arsed job that leaked every where even before you installed your high pressure shower system.

if he did a terrible,not to code,half arsed job that leaked every where to begin with...then why would you add a high pressure shower system to add to the problem?sticking to the plumbing references of course.i think the point is, while they're a ton of 800s out there with the same problem,there is also a lot of sleds out there with no problems at all...i would bet that those who installed "high pressure shower systems" to their 800s did so to new or near new good running sleds,not sleds with any "leaks".therfore while there is an excellent chance that problems could have existed before any mods...polaris and the owners really have no way of knowing for sure.i'm not saying that polaris should or shouldent warrenty these sleds i just think that most of us,myself included, know what were getting ourselves into when we start modding our sleds and the risks we'll be taking in regards to our warrenty coverage.just my .02.

BigTruck · Jul 15, 2009

Im just glad im not a plumber!

mountainhorse · Jul 15, 2009

The funny thing is ... the MOD sleds are the ones without the problems... I think Kinzer has like 3000 miles on his 2009 Turbo D8 of hard-core mountain riding and climbing/abuse.

Sledr · Jul 15, 2009

This was posted by Willie on Amsnow.com:

08-09 IQ and switchback New cylinder head, new pistons (2 rings) and stronger, new silencer and a new fuel maping including new engine protection for detonation and overheating.

08-09 RMK New cylinder head, new pistons (2 rings) and stronger, new fuel maping including new engine protection for detonation and overheating.

The major problem was between 5000-6000 rpm, the temp of the exhaust was way to high. Problem between the exhaust port vs compression ratio. Polaris assure us that this 800 engine will be a pretty good engine after those upgrade.

The HP and performance will stay the same and I can confirm that a fresh rebuilt 800CFI was a killer. We saw pretty impressive MPH with a fresh rebuilt engine, but the problem was after 250 miles, those number were almost impossible to hit again.

They tested it on dyno and on the snow in Canada, USA, iceland etc with pretty good result. Those parts should be available in mid-august. Polaris want every sled to be ready to go when the snow fall.

The 800 dragon was a pretty fun sled to ride last winter. Suspension was awesome, handling etc. The engine was powerfull and I would say the best 800 ever built for performance. But the durability was not there... I believe that this problem is now a problem from the past. Those sled will be one of the best sled outhere after this recall.

That was a recap of the webminar we had 15 minutes ago. thanks

wej388 · Jul 15, 2009

thats funny...when i first got my 09 d800 i was blown away by the performance.but after the first couple rides it seemed to lose some "snap".i credited it to the fact i had been riding an 06 755 and just got used to the power.it will be interesting to see how the updates help/hurt performance.

rmk727 · Jul 15, 2009

the webinar was really good info covered all the problems; if you read most of the posts about this sled it even covered the fuel filter problem plus as they stated the problem ocurred at different locations differently, even stated that they tested it wrong as I guess the test riders were aggressive and didn't have the mid range problems , even related to what I said a few times, it's very high performance and needs more attention than lesser motors and we need to start paying attention to where we buy gas and what we put into our gas, I for one was very impressed, I believe ALL 800'S will get the upgrade if they want. oh and the clown responding to MH I'm sure he voted for obama cuz he's a wak job with no credibility IMO

sled_guy · Jul 15, 2009

Mmmm.... I'm not hopeful about the whole comparable power thing.

Guess we'll see midseason... did they say anything about extending the warranties?

sled_guy

augerin · Jul 15, 2009

If mine ends up with the power and snap of my '01 800 with pipe and reeds I would be a lot happier. Do we wait for a letter or call from the dealer or do we just take the things in?

Super Dave3 · Jul 16, 2009

Warranties

sled_guy said:
Mmmm.... I'm not hopeful about the whole comparable power thing.

Guess we'll see midseason... did they say anything about extending the warranties?

sled_guy

All warranties will be extended through this years riding season.

rmk727 · Jul 16, 2009

Need to wait until you get a letter from Poo . I wouldn't be so troubled with the power thing in Dyno Tech they checked some different heads and gained some HP with less comp, the new head will have a protruded tip plug and the design looks to be deeper and narrower only trouble is here comes another plug to keep track of and can't borrow from a friend but plugs never have been an issue with the Liberty engines anyway.

800poodragon · Jul 17, 2009

Super Dave3 said:
All warranties will be extended through this years riding season.

Guess when I selected my 3 year warranty when snowchecking I did not get anything that everybody else is not getting at this point too...

greenspeed · Jul 17, 2009

So not looking forward to doing the retrofit kits if this is what they are ending up being. It's ganna be a PITA the first 2 times then after that I'll be doing it with my eyes closed

thefullmonte · Jul 17, 2009

greenspeed said:
So not looking forward to doing the retrofit kits if this is what they are ending up being. It's ganna be a PITA the first 2 times then after that I'll be doing it with my eyes closed

Please don't install them with your eyes closed. That could be what caused the screw up in the first place.

Super Dave3 · Jul 17, 2009

Warranty

800poodragon said:
Guess when I selected my 3 year warranty when snowchecking I did not get anything that everybody else is not getting at this point too...

Except that your warranty is bumper to bumper and anyone that gets the extra year will be engine only.

Cardiac Kid · Jul 17, 2009

Sledr and RMK727

So is the single injector per cylinder in the package or out?

It wasn't mentioned in you list of changes from the webanar.

Thanks again snowest members for the updates.

Super Dave3 · Jul 17, 2009

Injectors

Cardiac Kid said:
Sledr and RMK727

So is the single injector per cylinder in the package or out?

It wasn't mentioned in you list of changes from the webanar.

Thanks again snowest members for the updates.

The engine will remain the same with four injectors.

63nova · Jul 17, 2009

"Projected plug"

The new head has the plug projected into the combustion chamber. It's still the same plug.

rmk727 said:
Need to wait until you get a letter from Poo . I wouldn't be so troubled with the power thing in Dyno Tech they checked some different heads and gained some HP with less comp, the new head will have a protruded tip plug and the design looks to be deeper and narrower only trouble is here comes another plug to keep track of and can't borrow from a friend but plugs never have been an issue with the Liberty engines anyway.

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