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Planning a first time trip out west, Where to go? what to do??

Me and my dad are planning a trip out west next year to snowmobile during my xmas break from college. We have no clue whats out there since we live in Ohio and we ride in Michigan, where its all flat. We have been wanting to go out west for a while now, and decided next year is the year. So can you guys tell me of some good rental companies, or places to stay? We would like to tour Yellowstone for a day or so, and then the rest we would like to rent mountain sleds, and go trail riding, and play off trail. Is there any good company that does off trail backcountry tours?? Also where can we fly into??

Any help would be appreciated.
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We've been to West Yellowstone many times. I think the Holiday Inn is the best outfit in town. Everything is right there, your room, food, rental sleds, guides, ect. They rent trail sleds for the park tours and they have various sizes of mountin sleds too (primarily M6's and M8's, but they usulally have Yams and RMKs too). Do yourself a favor and if you really want to expirence western riding, use their guide service. You will never find the good off trail riding on your own. Guides are expensive, but they are worth it!! Ask for Terry Search if he's still working for them as a guide, he'll show you a good time.

Avy gear is important, but I don't think it is a must have for a first trip to yellowstone especially if your with a guide playing in meadows. Guides won't take you to the dangerous hills if you don't have beacons. If you really like western riding and plan to really get into it and persue it on a yearly basis, then avy gear is a must, but the $700 investment is not necessary for a one time trip IMO, especiually if you are touring th park.
 
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They rent avy beacons too. And if you don't have one, you are just another bystander when you come across another group of riders with someone down in the snow. It's not just for you, you can't help unless you have the right equipment! Pack, shovel, probe, beacon. You may save someone else out there.
 
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.. I Pm'd you..:cool:. Holiday is the most popular for tours, but if yer an extreme rider I would go with a "privateer" type of licensed guide, such as Jeff Watt. He works out of the Pine Shadows motel. Blaine(owner of Pine shadows), also rents Ski-doos. Holiday is on electric-Faithful streets, on Yellowstone ave. Dewd, the town's only 8 blocks long, you can't get lost.:D.(North & south sts. are in alphabetical order also).Blaine's # is 646-7541. Holiday, 1-800-646-7365. & don't forget the Golden West! 646-7008.. i think. :eek:

Ooops,, forgot. Area code is 406
 
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Me and my dad are planning a trip out west next year to snowmobile during my xmas break from college. We have no clue whats out there since we live in Ohio and we ride in Michigan, where its all flat. We have been wanting to go out west for a while now, and decided next year is the year. So can you guys tell me of some good rental companies, or places to stay? We would like to tour Yellowstone for a day or so, and then the rest we would like to rent mountain sleds, and go trail riding, and play off trail. Is there any good company that does off trail backcountry tours?? Also where can we fly into??

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

..Most fly into Bozeman, 90 milea away. some fly into Idaho Falls.110 miles. I think bozo's cheaper though. Better airport too.
 
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389.00 for everything! how much is your life worth to your family!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should be required equipment to ride in any western state:mad:

http://www.avalanchetools.com/

$380 x 2 = $760....He needs one for himself and his dad so between the two of them (because one is just a paper weight that makes noises)its alot of money. You can't fully invest in all the gear for every sport you want to try. I've heard of places renting beacons, but I've ridden with 6 diffent outfitters in 3 different states for the last 6 years and have never run across one who did rent avy gear.

If you go, like moutnain riding and plan on doing it again, YES you need to get avy gear when you start pursuing serious off trail terrain. But West Yellowstone is a pretty tame place ESPECIALLY when you are with a guide. You aren't going to encounter avy's trying to learn how to carve in the meadows around town. There are places where avy's are a concern in the West Yellowstone area, but you won't find them on your own on your first time out west (you'll get stuck and discouraged long before you get there).
 
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PM moondawg, he has a cabin he rents to guys from the site. It's in Island Park. Nice place and a good guy.:beer;
 
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You could fly to Idaho Falls, stay at one of the nice hotels here and ride with some of the Idaho Falls peeps for free.
 
Thats what i was thinking, We are just going to be with guides, and if we go off trail, it will just be when were riding along the trail, we might see a little meadow to carve a bit, then hop back on and keep going. We are not hardcore back country riders. We have never done stuff like that, and if we do when we are out there we will have a guide for sure. We are very cautious people, and we wont be riding up huge mountians, it wil be like smaller rolling hills if we can find them.
 
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I don't want to scare you off, if you are going to go out west you really owe it to yourself to try some guided off trail riding. If you don't, you might as well just go to the UP, because you are missing out on the expirence. You have to get up pretty early in the morning on the day it snows to find stuff along the trail that isn't tracked up, but there is untouched meadow after untouched meadow in the west yellowstone area that are just off the beaten path. You just have to have somebody who knows where they are. Get a guide, tell them what you want to do and let the good times roll. They'll bring you to fun places to play, and before they unleash you to carve it up they'll stop and point out the hazards to stay away from (watch out for that creek bed, there's a bunch of rocks over there, and stay away from that hill with the cornice- it might slide). Then you tear it up to your hearts content and then they'll take you to the next one.

After a trip or two when you get your off trail legs under you, that's when you'll start being tempted by bigger hills and that's when you really absolutely must start taking avy's seriously.
 

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760.00 is cheap,

how much are plane tickets

how much are motel rooms for a week

how much to rent sleds for a week

how much will your bar tab be for a week:beer;

how much is a funeral:(

say what you want, but if you have any plans to leave the trail, you need all the required equipment,

plenty of people have been killed in Avalanches that were never on the hill,

if you just want to play in some meadows, go to Michigan,

Cat kid is giving you bad information and may get you killed, there are slides in West Yellowstone, your riding a 10'000.00 dollar sled, but can't afford 389.00 for the rest of the package, smart, real smart.

These nice folks from Minnesota thought they were safe to, They weren't high marking, they weren't even on a hill, and one of them died on a trip to West Yellowstone!


Accident Report
Date: 2006-12-28
Submitted By: GNFAC; Scott Schmidt
Place: Lionhead area near West Yellowstone
State: MT Country: USA
Fatalities: 1 Activity: SNOWMOBILE
Summary: 2 snowmobilers caught, 1 buried and killed

LIONHEAD AVALANCHE FATALITY
28 December 2006


SYNOPSIS:


One snowmobiler was caught and killed in an avalanche that occurred in the Lionhead area near West Yellowstone. The avalanche released on a wind-loaded slope, with an easterly aspect. The slope angle, which averaged 34 degrees, increased to 37 degrees at the crown. The crown was 3 feet at its deepest point, and 300 feet in width. The avalanche ran approximately 600 vertical feet, with a Ąi - angle of 24 degrees. The avalanche was triggered remotely as the party traversed along a trail at the bottom of the slope. The distance from the trigger point to the avalanche crown was 975 feet slope distance. US classification of the avalanche is SS-AMr-R3-D2-O.


WEATHER:


12 ¡V 15 inches of new snow fall in the two days prior to the avalanche with the majority of the snow (7 ¡V 10 inches) falling the evening of the 26th. An additional 4 ¡V 6 inches of snow accumulated on the 27th. Strong northerly winds (25 ¡V 45 mph), blew on the 28th starting around 4:00 a.m. These winds where cross-loading the east facing chute under which the party was traveling. Temperatures were seasonal with highs in the mid to upper teens.


AVALANCHE:


19-year-old Joshua Scepaniac of Avon, Minnesota was riding with a group of 7 family and friends in the Henry Mountains near West Yellowstone, Montana. At approximately 12:30 in the afternoon the group crossed a basin near Lionhead Mt. The group broke trail well away from the large, open slopes that define the basin but as they neared the north end of the bowl, terrain and timber forced them to move in close to the bottom of several steep, wind-loaded chutes. The group spread out as they crossed a more obvious slide path on the north side of an island of timber. The first three rides crossed the path without incident and waited on the far side of the path. It appears that the avalanche released as the rest of the group moved through the trees. The three riders who had successfully crossed the slope stated that the avalanche was already running as Joshua (the fourth rider in the group) moved into the path. Joshua was struck by the oncoming avalanche and carried 40 feet before coming to rest ¡V buried under 3 feet of snow ¡V approximately 10 feet from his partially buried snowmobile. Andy Cramer was the 6th rider in the party and had not reached the island of trees when the avalanche released. He was caught and partially buried on the south side of the tree island but was able to self-extract. His snowmobile was completely buried. The fifth ride, Ben Thelen, was behind the tree island and was protected from the flow.


RESCUE:


Joshua was not wearing an avalanche transceiver. One member of the party had an avalanche probe and, starting at the partially buried snowmobile, was able to locate Joshua in a short time. All members of the party had shovels and were able to extract Joshua within approximately five minutes from the time he was buried. This timeline is confirmed by two 911 calls the party made using a cell phone. The first call was made at 12:36 when the victim was first buried. The second call occurred at 12:41 when the party called back to report that they had recovered the victim and were starting CPR. The group preformed CPR for two hours until an organized SAR party arrived from West Yellowstone. There were no obvious signs of trauma and the deputy coroner ruled that the victim had died from traumatic asphyxiation.


SNOWPACK:


The snowpack at the bottom of the path where the avalanche triggered was 94 cm deep. The bottom 30 cm was well-developed depth hoar approximately 2 mm in size. A layer of 10 mm surface hoar was located 53 cm from the ground. The avalanche appears to have initiated in the depth hoar layer, releasing the smaller slide on the south side of the tree island that caught and partially buried Andy Cramer. The fracture propagated over a small rib on the upper layer of surface hoar, into the wind-loaded chute to the north, releasing a large wind slab that caught and buried Joshua. Compression tests in the pit at the bottom of the slope produced clean, easy shears in the surface hoar and simultaneous failures in the depth hoar. Compression tests at, and above the crown, resulted in clean shears but moderate to hard force was required to cause failure.


If you have questions about this incident please feel free to call me at 406-587-6984 or email me at sschmidt@fs.fed.us.


Scott Schmidt

Avalanche Specialist

Gallatin National Forest Avalanche Center
 
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Dam Dave is way out of line! Who cares about avalanches if you just want to play in meadows? Those things never get that far anyway! OK so maybe he's right, read the avy awareness section. People get swallowed by avy's when they least expect it and this year has been HORRIBLE so far. Please don't come out here with a "it won't happen to me" attitude. If you want to ride out here, understand you are not riding in Uncle Bill's corn field, there is a reason we have all this avalanche talk. Take it seriously and have fun.
 

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I may be a bit harsh, but just look how many post there are on the 4m about Avy deaths this week alone, were headed for a record season, and thats not a good record to have, 3 deaths this weekend 20 miles from my house, the latest word is that they were not on a hill, just traveling near one, I was a flat lander once, I can't believe the things I did with out Avy equipment( ohh, I only go out there a 2 times a year, I don't need that stuff ) I am glad I never needed to try and find a friend without a beacon, lucky I guess! just be aware and don't let someone tell you its safe if you stay off the steep hills
 
I realize the dangers of Avalanches, its just something you have to be alert for while riding in the mountains, but if we have a guide and he can point the areas to stay away from we will be alot safer. Theres alwalys accidents waiting for anything that you do, but if you are serious and cautious, it will eliminate those chances bye quite a bit. And we are serious riders, its me and my dad, we are not go tearing up the hill and see how far we can get up kind of people, we just want to have a good time, see the scenery, and play in some powder. It doesnt snow around here, or michigan like it does out there. Id say theres a half inch or so on the ground now lol, we just went through a warm spell of 60-70 degree weather that melted all that we had, which was like 6-7 inches lol.

Now does anybody else have any other advice on where to go or do while out there?
 
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Here's my recomendation---find out who rents avy gear. Decide with your guide the range of riding he thinks you can handle. If the first day or two you only ride trails with some meadow riding, OK without gear. If you decide to take on more risk, rent the avy gear. Then spend some time practicing.

BTW, we all ride with gear--no exceptions 'cause we never know what the day will be like. Debris zones can be more hazardous than a 35* slope.

YNP is a must see experience---my family has stayed over in the park and has stayed at the Snow Mountain Lodge at Old Faithful, drove to the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone, Mamoth Hot Springs and generally toured around. I don't know what the new rules for stay overs are but you can get alot of infro on the web.

Bob
 
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