This is my first take but by no means solid info, although my first ride of the season and coming off a broken leg(kinda weak) I felt comfortable and pushed it to its limits. I felt like I was riding just a few weeks ago (until I got stuck, lol)
Sweet sled and would take over an M and any other sled, then mod the heII out of it. I really like it so don't take my comments as bashing but as I plan on pushing it to new limits so take it for what its worth.
The snow was somewhat soft but firm and half a base you could still break through, really good snow to test all aspects of a sled.
On the bumps, no chatter like the M, the suspension feels firm but plush and doesn't beat you up, works great. I ripped straight into a few 3ft hits and think I only used 2/3rds of the shock stroke and I was ready to get tossed but the absorbed it, very smooth for that kind of hit. Looking forward to putting it to the test.
The steering, easy but the lack of radius is a joke and funky as heII. They made it steer easy for the panzy's out there and we lost ability.
(keep in mind I'm 6'6" 210lbs) For a stocker the bars arent bad but will need to go down on boost for the really steep sidehills and climbs, I also think they might be usefull farther forward. When I stand comfortably my feet are pretty far back on the boards but in steep sidehills I was trying different foot position and if I put my feet all the way forward while wrong foot forward the bars are to close and makes it hard to use them.
When sidehilling there is no breaking point like the M, pro-rmk or any other sled, it rolls up and transitions very smooth and controllable. When on the throttle it feels light, real light, when stuck, not so much. It hops on the snow and lifts the skis just off the snow but doesn't wheelie, very nice transition. Once up you can stand centered and carve with ease. Out of the box (with proper break in) ran wide open and ran great 40miles. When sidehilling it tips up to a point but hits a little bit of a wall and tries to push back--only in a real steep sidehill though. Not sure if its the lack of steering or its piling the lower body and running boards into the snow causing drag and trying to set it back down/ dragging. The really cool thing is, if you have ridden an M when it tries to kick down hill you better have a grip or your going down with it, on the 12 you could lay it down hill and bring it right back into the hill. Unbelievable control in that aspect and never once felt like I was going to get tossed. But I need to find a way to get it farther on its side, maybe dropping the suspension, more steering or if all else fails build a new lower body and running boards. If the pro-rmk has anything on this sled its that its a bit lighter and narrower, thats about it and without side by side comparison I could be wrong. Put it on one ski and it turns in an instant unlike the m when you lay it all the way over and it slides straight down on the hood.
Jumps, it does what i always wished the M would, the M is still a contender you will just have to work harder, take a beating on the trail, and bounce the nose cone off stuff. The '12 feels like it will be very flickable in the air, looking forward to expanding that aspect.
When riding it looks and feels narrow. Those dumb a arms and spindles, well you will never know they are there.
IMO, could use a little clutching, not bad but was seeing 78-8150 on sidehills and think there is more to be had.
I smoked a belt after 5 miles of 80+mph and think some of it may have been from the snow dust from the sled in front getting to the clutch because I was able to touch the clutch after it blew. But it tore the f ck out of the guard, another sled pushed just as hard has 80miles and still pulling. If I did a WOT pull on any M for more than 1mile on the trail it would eat a belt. Before the trail out the belt looked perfect so running that kind of speed prob did it not something I would worry about other than if you blow one shut it down quick in case the guard winds up in the clutch.
What pi$$es me off, no storage, no 1000cc 2 stroke, really miss the 1000 to help pack my 210lbs, and no I don't want some retard heavy 4 stroke, anyone that wants to dispute that come follow me for a day and you will know what I'm talking about, its all rider preference so no offense, its just not my style of sled.
Plans, one at a time
mess with steering/ bar height and position.
drop rear skid test and then kmod
clutching, waiting for more info on that.
can/drop weight, (custom hood etc...)
tunnel wrap to shed snow
open up running boards and maybe narrow up.
add storage, hate stuff on my back.
then add boost and make as light as possible
now I just have to wait for the sled to get in.
Sweet sled and would take over an M and any other sled, then mod the heII out of it. I really like it so don't take my comments as bashing but as I plan on pushing it to new limits so take it for what its worth.
The snow was somewhat soft but firm and half a base you could still break through, really good snow to test all aspects of a sled.
On the bumps, no chatter like the M, the suspension feels firm but plush and doesn't beat you up, works great. I ripped straight into a few 3ft hits and think I only used 2/3rds of the shock stroke and I was ready to get tossed but the absorbed it, very smooth for that kind of hit. Looking forward to putting it to the test.
The steering, easy but the lack of radius is a joke and funky as heII. They made it steer easy for the panzy's out there and we lost ability.
(keep in mind I'm 6'6" 210lbs) For a stocker the bars arent bad but will need to go down on boost for the really steep sidehills and climbs, I also think they might be usefull farther forward. When I stand comfortably my feet are pretty far back on the boards but in steep sidehills I was trying different foot position and if I put my feet all the way forward while wrong foot forward the bars are to close and makes it hard to use them.
When sidehilling there is no breaking point like the M, pro-rmk or any other sled, it rolls up and transitions very smooth and controllable. When on the throttle it feels light, real light, when stuck, not so much. It hops on the snow and lifts the skis just off the snow but doesn't wheelie, very nice transition. Once up you can stand centered and carve with ease. Out of the box (with proper break in) ran wide open and ran great 40miles. When sidehilling it tips up to a point but hits a little bit of a wall and tries to push back--only in a real steep sidehill though. Not sure if its the lack of steering or its piling the lower body and running boards into the snow causing drag and trying to set it back down/ dragging. The really cool thing is, if you have ridden an M when it tries to kick down hill you better have a grip or your going down with it, on the 12 you could lay it down hill and bring it right back into the hill. Unbelievable control in that aspect and never once felt like I was going to get tossed. But I need to find a way to get it farther on its side, maybe dropping the suspension, more steering or if all else fails build a new lower body and running boards. If the pro-rmk has anything on this sled its that its a bit lighter and narrower, thats about it and without side by side comparison I could be wrong. Put it on one ski and it turns in an instant unlike the m when you lay it all the way over and it slides straight down on the hood.
Jumps, it does what i always wished the M would, the M is still a contender you will just have to work harder, take a beating on the trail, and bounce the nose cone off stuff. The '12 feels like it will be very flickable in the air, looking forward to expanding that aspect.
When riding it looks and feels narrow. Those dumb a arms and spindles, well you will never know they are there.
IMO, could use a little clutching, not bad but was seeing 78-8150 on sidehills and think there is more to be had.
I smoked a belt after 5 miles of 80+mph and think some of it may have been from the snow dust from the sled in front getting to the clutch because I was able to touch the clutch after it blew. But it tore the f ck out of the guard, another sled pushed just as hard has 80miles and still pulling. If I did a WOT pull on any M for more than 1mile on the trail it would eat a belt. Before the trail out the belt looked perfect so running that kind of speed prob did it not something I would worry about other than if you blow one shut it down quick in case the guard winds up in the clutch.
What pi$$es me off, no storage, no 1000cc 2 stroke, really miss the 1000 to help pack my 210lbs, and no I don't want some retard heavy 4 stroke, anyone that wants to dispute that come follow me for a day and you will know what I'm talking about, its all rider preference so no offense, its just not my style of sled.
Plans, one at a time
mess with steering/ bar height and position.
drop rear skid test and then kmod
clutching, waiting for more info on that.
can/drop weight, (custom hood etc...)
tunnel wrap to shed snow
open up running boards and maybe narrow up.
add storage, hate stuff on my back.
then add boost and make as light as possible
now I just have to wait for the sled to get in.