REAL WEIGHT COMPARISON: Yamaha Viper vs RMK vs XM! (Video W/Ryan Harris from SnoWest)
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Honestly, you cannot take the swapping of brands by a well known person in the industry as anything to do with the machine available. So what if someone just swapped brands?
If someone gave me a sled to ride for the season versus having to buy one(altho discounted) I'd jump all over that. Most of the sleds ridden by "ambassadors" are simply dealer demo's. I did that for 5+ years, riding demo's. Barely put on any miles on my personal sleds for a reason, and it wasn't because I always liked them more than my own...
I'm just saying, don't let that influence your opinion at all.
If someone gave me a sled to ride for the season versus having to buy one(altho discounted) I'd jump all over that. Most of the sleds ridden by "ambassadors" are simply dealer demo's. I did that for 5+ years, riding demo's. Barely put on any miles on my personal sleds for a reason, and it wasn't because I always liked them more than my own...
I'm just saying, don't let that influence your opinion at all.
Reeb,
Except that I know her... and discussed the decisions.
If the Yami-Cat were a turd... she wouldn't be on it... even if they gave her 6 freebies.
I agree with not letting industry insiders or magazines that get advert dollars from the majors influence your decisions...Ride em... for more than a couple of hours then make your decision.
I also won't let a video made by a sled mfg, regardless of brand, sway my opinion or make me believe in certain theories. The PRO RMK does hold a lot of snow and ice.... in a conversation that I had with 2 top level RMK engineers... they said that the "dry, showroom" weight was what sold sleds.... I agreed that might "sell" them.... but riding weight DOES affect how "excellent"...or not... the sled is on the hill in real world conditions.
I'll be on a Polaris next year, with lots of coated parts... It is what I prefer... my friends are on every brand made AND two brands of snowbikes and love them as well. Different strokes.
I think, on boost, this Yami is a contender!
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Except that I know her... and discussed the decisions.
If the Yami-Cat were a turd... she wouldn't be on it... even if they gave her 6 freebies.
I agree with not letting industry insiders or magazines that get advert dollars from the majors influence your decisions...Ride em... for more than a couple of hours then make your decision.
I also won't let a video made by a sled mfg, regardless of brand, sway my opinion or make me believe in certain theories. The PRO RMK does hold a lot of snow and ice.... in a conversation that I had with 2 top level RMK engineers... they said that the "dry, showroom" weight was what sold sleds.... I agreed that might "sell" them.... but riding weight DOES affect how "excellent"...or not... the sled is on the hill in real world conditions.
I'll be on a Polaris next year, with lots of coated parts... It is what I prefer... my friends are on every brand made AND two brands of snowbikes and love them as well. Different strokes.
I think, on boost, this Yami is a contender!
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I'll consider it a contender when it doesn't need boost to compete.
Power will make anything feel light under power/uphill but we (maybe I should say I because of different riding styles) ride mountain sleds up, down, sideways and everything in between. When its not under power it will feel heavier. You can argue with that until your blue in the face but that's a fact.
Not a bash so do go all kill Ouray on me its Jmo. lol
Power will make anything feel light under power/uphill but we (maybe I should say I because of different riding styles) ride mountain sleds up, down, sideways and everything in between. When its not under power it will feel heavier. You can argue with that until your blue in the face but that's a fact.
Not a bash so do go all kill Ouray on me its Jmo. lol
One of the drawbacks to living in south eastern idaho is that your automative choices are VERY limited. That lovely car would require a trip to Salt Lake City for factory authorized Service.Christopher,
Maybe a Porche Macan Turbo for the wifey?
A counter argument.
Why are ANY of the sleds UNBOOSTED when we are riding so many of them at significant altitudes?
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That pretty much sums up why we'll never agree. lol
The way I love and the way my favorite group rides power never wins. I would be completely fine with taking the gf's 600 for the day with them and some of them are incredible riders, way above my level. Now my Midwest buddies I hang with once a year are all power mongers. A friggen hoot to go straight up with but when things get nasty they're at a disadvantage compared to a lightweight stock powered machine... They see it to and most have confessed that to me when the truth serum at night really takes affect. haha
Maybe if I make it to IP next year you could prove me wrong:face-icon-small-win Didn't get my IP fix this year:face-icon-small-fro
All I can say, some of us want more than riding trees and side hills all day. As you might could tell, I'm no Brandt wanna be
I only play in the trees when its snowing too hard to see and ride anywhere else!Big hills and endless bowls.........I might just be drooling :face-icon-small-hap
The only difference in 600's and 800's around where we ride is that the 600's are playing on the lower parts of the hill and the 800's higher up. The turbo's are even higher.
I can have a blast on a 600 all day long. WFO and it's a blast. An 800 or big bore just means the decisions have to come quicker because so do the trees. Turbo's add another dimension with the decision making process. I make way more mistakes, but I have way more fun doing so.
It's even better when I'm on my T-Vec. It's heavy, it's hard work, and I'm barely holding on at the end of the day, but to put that sled in places that people just shake their head at, and then fail to follow. That's the priceless part.
80%(I personally think this number is low) of all people out there will never be in situations like Burandt or Skinner, never see terrain like you do in advertisements, but brag all the same.
The amount of smacktalk PRO riders in my area have thrown around, only to NOT be able to pull a line that a big, heavy, slow, cumbersome 2005 Vector pulls thru the trees is mind boggling. But every new day brings a wiped out memory. Cuz they are back at it smacking their lips just like the day before.
Every area is different, and in the Cariboo of BC, Polaris riders are the ones that like to spend the day out in the wilderness, BSing and drinking beer. Hey, when I wanna do a hangover day, I go ride with them. We barely make the gas drop by noon and we've drank 6 beers by then. We barely leave the trail or the cutblocks. It would be like a family day, except we are all drinking.
But usually when I ride with my Ski-Doo guys we simply go hard. Go to the same spots, hit the same jumps, climb the same hills. Do our thing and check off as much of the area as we can. There's a few Cats, and a few Poo's in that group. It's kind of a interchanging role of people.
Then I go riding with a select few of my friends and those are the fun days. Crisscrossing the trail, never riding on it, following our GPS instead of any known landmarks. Dropping off frozen waterfalls and hopping creeks trying to get one another stuck. Those are the days that we end up broken, battered, and bruised. Out of fuel, out of sunlight, and out of forgiveness from our girlfriends/wives. There is never more than 4 of us, and it's a great time, partly because we can feel where the other guy is going to go. Very intuitive of where the other guys are and what they are going to do.
3 of us in that group have turbo's. But we always grab the 800 stockers for those days. The 4th guy sold his turbo and has been riding stock 800's since.
Really, it's all about the riding you do. Believe me, when Revelstoke comes calling in January and February, it's Turbo season every single time.
You can't knock anyone that isn't in your immediate riding group for what they ride or how they ride.
There's guys that spew knowledge about brands about set-up and such, but rarely leave the trail or cutblock. Yet tons of people have followed these set-ups because of what they perceive these guys do for riding. Only to find out that those set-ups don't work AT ALL. Or praise the set-up, but only for its trail characteristics. Funny how that might work eh. It's the exact same thing when listening to opinions of where and how a snowmobile works. So to see so many people take these posts so literal is pretty funny. When are we gonna stop looking to others to answer questions for us? Go out and ride it. If it suits your style, your riding abilities, and is comparable with your group, then that is the sled for you. Not what some X-Games winning/World Champ/riding clinic owning spokesperson tells you.
I'm just lucky to have multiple sleds, even if they are getting a bit old. I can't wait to find out what sled I buy in the next 12 months tho. I'm stoked there are so many great options to choose from.
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I can have a blast on a 600 all day long. WFO and it's a blast. An 800 or big bore just means the decisions have to come quicker because so do the trees. Turbo's add another dimension with the decision making process. I make way more mistakes, but I have way more fun doing so.
It's even better when I'm on my T-Vec. It's heavy, it's hard work, and I'm barely holding on at the end of the day, but to put that sled in places that people just shake their head at, and then fail to follow. That's the priceless part.
80%(I personally think this number is low) of all people out there will never be in situations like Burandt or Skinner, never see terrain like you do in advertisements, but brag all the same.
The amount of smacktalk PRO riders in my area have thrown around, only to NOT be able to pull a line that a big, heavy, slow, cumbersome 2005 Vector pulls thru the trees is mind boggling. But every new day brings a wiped out memory. Cuz they are back at it smacking their lips just like the day before.
Every area is different, and in the Cariboo of BC, Polaris riders are the ones that like to spend the day out in the wilderness, BSing and drinking beer. Hey, when I wanna do a hangover day, I go ride with them. We barely make the gas drop by noon and we've drank 6 beers by then. We barely leave the trail or the cutblocks. It would be like a family day, except we are all drinking.
But usually when I ride with my Ski-Doo guys we simply go hard. Go to the same spots, hit the same jumps, climb the same hills. Do our thing and check off as much of the area as we can. There's a few Cats, and a few Poo's in that group. It's kind of a interchanging role of people.
Then I go riding with a select few of my friends and those are the fun days. Crisscrossing the trail, never riding on it, following our GPS instead of any known landmarks. Dropping off frozen waterfalls and hopping creeks trying to get one another stuck. Those are the days that we end up broken, battered, and bruised. Out of fuel, out of sunlight, and out of forgiveness from our girlfriends/wives. There is never more than 4 of us, and it's a great time, partly because we can feel where the other guy is going to go. Very intuitive of where the other guys are and what they are going to do.
3 of us in that group have turbo's. But we always grab the 800 stockers for those days. The 4th guy sold his turbo and has been riding stock 800's since.
Really, it's all about the riding you do. Believe me, when Revelstoke comes calling in January and February, it's Turbo season every single time.
You can't knock anyone that isn't in your immediate riding group for what they ride or how they ride.
There's guys that spew knowledge about brands about set-up and such, but rarely leave the trail or cutblock. Yet tons of people have followed these set-ups because of what they perceive these guys do for riding. Only to find out that those set-ups don't work AT ALL. Or praise the set-up, but only for its trail characteristics. Funny how that might work eh. It's the exact same thing when listening to opinions of where and how a snowmobile works. So to see so many people take these posts so literal is pretty funny. When are we gonna stop looking to others to answer questions for us? Go out and ride it. If it suits your style, your riding abilities, and is comparable with your group, then that is the sled for you. Not what some X-Games winning/World Champ/riding clinic owning spokesperson tells you.
I'm just lucky to have multiple sleds, even if they are getting a bit old. I can't wait to find out what sled I buy in the next 12 months tho. I'm stoked there are so many great options to choose from.
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Ya, I am not thinking the wife coming home to this scene would be well received.
Girlfriends car in neighbors drive way.......classic
I didn't see your post with the infinity...
I actually like the way it looks better than the Porsche.... the Macan looks a bit dated in comparison. They are close in price when comparably equipped... the Porsche turbo has 10hp more... I thought it would be more than that.
I actually like the way it looks better than the Porsche.... the Macan looks a bit dated in comparison. They are close in price when comparably equipped... the Porsche turbo has 10hp more... I thought it would be more than that.
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Porsche probably feels faster!
The speed at which MONEY is leaving my pocketbook??
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Interesting last few posts. I have the FX50 and am thinking of getting a Macan. I don't think the picture of the Macan does it any justice though. FX50 has some shortcomings but overall is a good overall drive. Hauls butt, handles well for an SUV, good all weather vehicle, seats four in luxury and doesn't get too bad a fuel mileage. I see fewer FX50's around too then I do Cayenne's which is nice. Maybe wait for the Macan Diesel though.
You must live near civilization:face-icon-small-hap!
My closest dealer is BOISE.
My closest dealer is BOISE.
Wow did this thread ever get knocked off the rails. Must be summer or something.....
Yup.
Pretty much the case.
Its just conversation now till we start to get our hands on the new sleds.
Pretty much the case.
Its just conversation now till we start to get our hands on the new sleds.
Bumping the video
I watch it about twice a week. Summer feels about 5 months too long!
At least I am not the only one that feels that way.
I can honestly say, I CAN'T WAIT TILL I MOW THE LAWN FOR THE LAST TIME!
