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wow.... thats truly sucks. Its baffling how many opposite stories you hear. "Mine is amazing ... mine is crap , mine hangs with PG turbos .. mine cant beat a stocker".:face-icon-small-con
860 HP #'s
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I know huh....
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A little vid comparing a stocker with an 860.. Neither my sleds..
NOTE: When it gets really steep and deep how the stocker slows down and the 860 does not slow down.. This is where you really see the benefits of the 860.. not so much is just a race like everybody like to compare... but in the long steep pulls.. the added torque/power really shows in those scenarios
The 860 is on top of the hill parked before the stocker is even close to the top..
The person on the stocker is much lighter also.. OH YA.. Both are women... Gotta love it!!!! These chicks can really ride...
Check it out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2H6mIt_pcY
NOTE: When it gets really steep and deep how the stocker slows down and the 860 does not slow down.. This is where you really see the benefits of the 860.. not so much is just a race like everybody like to compare... but in the long steep pulls.. the added torque/power really shows in those scenarios
The 860 is on top of the hill parked before the stocker is even close to the top..
The person on the stocker is much lighter also.. OH YA.. Both are women... Gotta love it!!!! These chicks can really ride...
Check it out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2H6mIt_pcY
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That vid may or may not show a performance gain. How about a video showing a side by side run, not running up two seperate chutes, or possibly swap sides and see if the results are the same. I drag race sleds uphill side by side every weekend, moving over as little as a few feet can make or break the run.
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Again..
Not my sleds nor my video.. just a vid a customer sent me because they were happy with the 860..
I have side by side vids against turbos, on my website.. you can check them out if you care to..
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I think the issues these 860's suffer from are the same issues the stockers suffer from. I would say quality control is the culprit. I've got two friends that have fought their 860's all year. Put the kits on the sleds basically when they were brand new and have had nothing but problems making them work. They've tried everything the supplier has recommended and then some, BUT we see this same thing happening in the stockers. Some rip and some don't. There have been issues with pipes, programming, clutching, DPM's, and so on. By just bolting on an 860 a person isn't correcting the underlying issue. The last thing a guy wants is to have to chase down issues that don't immediately present themselves and throw money at an already expensive toy. Ski Doo makes a great product and no doubt leads the way in two stroke technology, but when it comes to repeatability and quality control I think there's a lot to be desired. I think the real issue is not whether the 860 works, but rather does your stock sled work like it's suppose to...
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Yes, I would agree with this also.. We have seen problems created/missed at BRP that will cause runnability issues/power problems on the stock sleds and these same issues willnot allow the 860 to work well either..
Great point..
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running threw the tons of helmet cam vidos i made since christmas, literally 100s, i gotta mention a few sleds that did stick out for the 860s
montana powder has a sweet running 860 rkt wtih twin pipes and a 2.5inch 174 track under it, we ran very close pulling a few hills back a few months ago when i still had a 2.5 163, his brother running the m8 turbo on another 2.5 174 was another work horse that ran like a champ
i also have a buddy running another 860rkt that has a 3 inch 174 under his and it has run very well for him as well
last one was a brent linderman 860 twin piped that i ran into the last time out in revy, the sled right out rocked on nitrous but with the 2.5 174, it was much better than stocker, but not like the 880
what i have seen so far, setup, setup and more setup are the answers with the 860s, still not thinking the low jetting is the answer, but do think the twin pipes are... i hope this is helpfull
just found out the from the builder that the jaws and cranshop twins made 6 extra hp over the dynoport combo, might have to put it on my wish list
montana powder has a sweet running 860 rkt wtih twin pipes and a 2.5inch 174 track under it, we ran very close pulling a few hills back a few months ago when i still had a 2.5 163, his brother running the m8 turbo on another 2.5 174 was another work horse that ran like a champ
i also have a buddy running another 860rkt that has a 3 inch 174 under his and it has run very well for him as well
last one was a brent linderman 860 twin piped that i ran into the last time out in revy, the sled right out rocked on nitrous but with the 2.5 174, it was much better than stocker, but not like the 880
what i have seen so far, setup, setup and more setup are the answers with the 860s, still not thinking the low jetting is the answer, but do think the twin pipes are... i hope this is helpfull
just found out the from the builder that the jaws and cranshop twins made 6 extra hp over the dynoport combo, might have to put it on my wish list
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I just wanted to throw out my comment while everyone else is. I have been running 860 Trygstad motors for the last 3 years in the xp chasis 08/09/10. If anyone tells u that this motor is not much more than stock they are crazy and I would love to ride with them and there stock sled. I am not bragging or trying to pick battles. A properly clutched and tuned 860 should considerably beat a stocker. I have ran with many slp and crankshop setups and they run good but will not compare to a setup 860. I have seen many 860's in the past 3 years in the xp chasis some that really work and are reliable and a few that can't beat a 440. so i am not going to bash any of the guys that build the motors but i can tell u which ones i have been around that work and which ones that do not. jus my 2 cents
I just wanted to throw out my comment while everyone else is. I have been running 860 Trygstad motors for the last 3 years in the xp chasis 08/09/10. If anyone tells u that this motor is not much more than stock they are crazy and I would love to ride with them and there stock sled. I am not bragging or trying to pick battles. A properly clutched and tuned 860 should considerably beat a stocker. I have ran with many slp and crankshop setups and they run good but will not compare to a setup 860. I have seen many 860's in the past 3 years in the xp chasis some that really work and are reliable and a few that can't beat a 440. so i am not going to bash any of the guys that build the motors but i can tell u which ones i have been around that work and which ones that do not. jus my 2 cents
For the tread starters question, my dyno operator has run some 860 in his dyno. He does his own porting to them before he install them. And a healty 860 puts out 172-174HP in his dyno. This is whit stock exhaust. A stock 800R puts out 142-146 hp whit standard jetting.
All runs are done 10 meter above the sea
And for all of ones that complains that there 860 don`t work, and also are so stupid that they have to have a can on it. Well, no wonder why you can`t get your sled running fast. Sorry, can`s steel HP on these engines, and whit mods it`s even gets worse. Tried some in the dyno. Waste of money. And for the wheigt reduction, man if your XP is to heavy, go grab a burger, gain so wheigt, maybe you`ll mangae to handle it. A can makes it worse.
All runs are done 10 meter above the sea
And for all of ones that complains that there 860 don`t work, and also are so stupid that they have to have a can on it. Well, no wonder why you can`t get your sled running fast. Sorry, can`s steel HP on these engines, and whit mods it`s even gets worse. Tried some in the dyno. Waste of money. And for the wheigt reduction, man if your XP is to heavy, go grab a burger, gain so wheigt, maybe you`ll mangae to handle it. A can makes it worse.
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Yes alot of stingers are already to tight ,we had dyno # that showed 7 hp lost on stock motor so add that to a 860 it can't be good:face-icon-small-shoFor the tread starters question, my dyno operator has run some 860 in his dyno. He does his own porting to them before he install them. And a healty 860 puts out 172-174HP in his dyno. This is whit stock exhaust. A stock 800R puts out 142-146 hp whit standard jetting.
All runs are done 10 meter above the sea
And for all of ones that complains that there 860 don`t work, and also are so stupid that they have to have a can on it. Well, no wonder why you can`t get your sled running fast. Sorry, can`s steel HP on these engines, and whit mods it`s even gets worse. Tried some in the dyno. Waste of money. And for the wheigt reduction, man if your XP is to heavy, go grab a burger, gain so wheigt, maybe you`ll mangae to handle it. A can makes it worse.
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For the tread starters question, my dyno operator has run some 860 in his dyno. He does his own porting to them before he install them. And a healty 860 puts out 172-174HP in his dyno. This is whit stock exhaust. A stock 800R puts out 142-146 hp whit standard jetting.
All runs are done 10 meter above the sea
And for all of ones that complains that there 860 don`t work, and also are so stupid that they have to have a can on it. Well, no wonder why you can`t get your sled running fast. Sorry, can`s steel HP on these engines, and whit mods it`s even gets worse. Tried some in the dyno. Waste of money. And for the wheigt reduction, man if your XP is to heavy, go grab a burger, gain so wheigt, maybe you`ll mangae to handle it. A can makes it worse.
WOW! Tell us how you really feel!.
I'm no can specialist but I've been told that some of these "tight" cans that don't flow at sea level actually help at 1,981.2 meters (6500 feet) where the oxygen in the air is not as Dense. Maybe some smart guys can school me here?
Hi, I`ve been told that Santa actually is from Finland. If you would belive it, it`s up to you. I don`t belive a word spread by someone i don`t know, don`t based on sicence whit proof of the word. You could tell me whatever you want, I`ll belive what I can see, feel, and what`s proven. And if you are a beliver of a rumor that no ones know where it has it`s roots, then you should eather bash products that are proven. It`s most likley your fault that it don`t work. I`m a bit suprised about all the people on here trowing on mods after mods, but don`t have the skills to tune it to work as it`s intend to. If you don`t have these skills, hook it up on a dyno, then you`ll probly get the results that you are supposed to get. I`ve tuned some sleds in the field, but always check them in a dyno after, and I always find something left on the table. And RKT who says "it`s in the steep&deep it`s should perform". Yes, of course. But man, if your engine don`t have the power it`s supposed to, where is the "magic" power that arrives when it hit`s the snow? You do the engine in the dyno, and use the grafh from the dyno to tune your clutches on the snow.
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Well said.......... Not really
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I'm with ya buddy!, I dyno all my sleds also and always come of the dyno with more HP than when I jump on, However the dyno I use is not at sea level and I haven't seen the 7 HP ish drop in power from stock to mod can. So I wonder what effect relative air density has on the finding we see on the dyno? from sea level to 2500ft where I dyno at.
I wish I could dyno at the altitude I ride (about 2000 meters).
