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backcountryislife

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Perhaps I didn't read carefully enough, but why didn't you take it to the selling dealer?


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More like didn't read at all.:face-icon-small-ton It's been posted a few times, in the first post, then in a few more answering the same question again.

I'm gonna paraphrase here because I don't feel like reading it again, but the long & short:


He stopped by Dave's shop... cause dave has oil, and AKSP wanted oil, so he bought some. While there dave said "YO aksnopro... I got the hook up fo yer belt issues bro. Bring it to me... and I'll do ya right". So aksp said "hey... that's groovy bro, I'm gonna get right on that, I'll leave it with you & come get it later" So dave said, "cool man, I'll fix yer belt issues, PLUS I'll get you a belt out of the deal, cause I'm cool like that!" then AKSP said "aw geez, that'd be swell dave, none of the other dealers have offered that to me, SO I'LL BRING IT HERE for you to work on" then dave said "right on man, groovy, I'll get right on it."



yeah, it was pretty much like that. (Some details were left out to protect the innocent)
 
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I THINK I HAVE IT,

YOU GUYS ARE TAKEING IT TO THE WRONG PLACE,
A.A. TAKE IT TO C.C. SKI-DOO, DOO THINKS A.C. IS COPYING THEM
LET THEM GET IT FIXED. ALL THE BEST LUCK.

p.s. a.a. you said you didnt get the jack shaft service.

i think may be you did.
 
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What thats it???

After you have put this forum through all this you say "Arctic Cat is taking care of me" please expand!
 
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the sleds at a dealer, im missing out on another weekend with it because they dont want me to ride it till the updates have all been done. they dont have an answer to the snow ingestion yet. but think they have the belt issue fixed, the melted plastics and melted clutch fan are no brainer warranty items. we will see what they come up with but the conversation went good and they contacted my dealer of choice with a direct call.

-Aksnopro

:)
 

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So how many kg of XM tea will help my belt life, and does it void my warranty?

And if i watch the price of this tea and go for a ride when the prices are right will i get better belt life?

Snostruck i told dave we had another 12 in the shop with reeds and his cowling fits perfect. He just looked at me and then continued to disagre like i was lieing!??

Blah well see what endsup happening..

Fact is as a customer feeling violated dave thought i couldnt do anything except bend over, well were in a new erra dave. The world wibe web my friend. You might think twice before you look someome in the eye and tellem "oh and i sent pictures of your reeds to cat, have fun with that" with a dicklike tone...

I know right now hes regretting handling the situation like he did. If i didnt post it he wouldnt be, and he would still think the reeds were the issue, he would still think the strap was junk, he would think the overtightened nut was causing all the belt issues...

But none of the above is true... So im glad i posted, cause i bet he hears me now..... He cant disagree with 20 people telling him even if they were longer (which there not) it wouldn't be an issue! And with seceral people posting that they dont have fitment issues with the same reeds!

-Aksnopro

Don't get an attitude, be careful here and be the better man.

Most likely if dave is a good dealer it wont effect a thing other than he learned a lesson he already knew. If your statements are honest.
 

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Again... do I really have to explain this to you???


The current price of tea in China is: € 79749.4



not to be confused with a butterfly's wings flapping in China. This price is scientifically derived from numbers only tangentially related to the actual price of tea in China, which we have found is profoundly more accurate than actual prices paid for tea in China. How this affects you, your child, or an acquaintance is derived, again, scientifically, by a patent-pending method we'd love to discuss, but can't, at this time. It has little to nothing to do with the technology behind the magic eight ball. A brief overview of the connections between the price of tea in China and these results (both the price and actual bearing on events) is illustrated here.

Did you know that the current concerns with Hyper-inflation has a lot to do with the price of tea in China? Okay, not tea specifically but the price of food in general within China.
Of course the Fed has assured us that inflation is non-existent. My pocket book and my grocery bill say differently. Apparently the Fed’s have a permission slip to exclude ‘volatile’ items like food from their reports, but I digress.
Regardless of the accuracy in the Fed’s data, there’s something going on in China that should have us all concerned…
* 200 Million migrant workers in China have moved from rural areas to Chinese cities in recent decades, with another 400 million predicted to follow suit in the next 20 years
* China had an urban population of 620 million by the end of 2009, which was 46.6 percent of the nation’s total population. Urban residents are expected to comprise about 52 percent of the Chinese population by 2015.
In short, China is becoming more industrialized and urbanized and this translates into a growing shortage of commodities, food, gas, raw goods, copper, etc… When supply goes down and demand goes up the result is inflation. To this point China has been very effective in managing this, they’ve done this in part by securing resources across the globe, from copper mines in Africa, to land and companies in Australia, Canada and even the US.
As supplies get smaller the Chinese will be funneling these resources directly back to China and this inevitably will result in less supply here in the US despite the fact that there’s still demand (We All Need to Eat). Basically, when the straw that breaks the camels back finally drops supply will drop exponentially and demand will remain if not increase and the end result will be HYPER-INFLATION.
In this type of a scenario- among other things- having food storage in place could be all the difference in your ability to weather what could literally go down in history as the worst economic storm of the century.



your belts cost approximately $13,697.5877 yen. Therefore, your money is obviously better invested in tea, but that investment would depend on the quantity purchased, and more importantly due to inflationary issues, how long it takes to transport this tea back to AK.

I would advise talking to an investment strategist before you buy another belt & see if tea would make more sense.

and to add to my previous statement...

It depends, in China the price of various tea may greatly differ from each other.Even in the same piece,their prices may be different extremely,such as 信陽毛尖茶(Xinyang maoojian tea,abbreviated to XM tea).XM tea with super quality is 5600 yuan(approximate 1000 dollar)per kg.However,XM tea with worst quality is 900 yuan(approximate 130 dollar)per kg,so it is hard to say the interval of price of tea.

Beign that there's such a big range in tea pricing, you'll find this interesting:

Believe it or not, almost all Chinese teas are made from one plant species, known as Camellia sinensis. It
is an evergreen shrub that can grow into a small tree and is native to Southeast China. The plants can
live for up to 100 years and the leaves are harvested year round. (The other plant from which tea is
made is Camellia assamica from India and most tea in the world comes from these two sub-species of
the Camellia plant)


I rarely delve into the economics of tea (thanks to a mysterious number-induced nausea), but I couldn't resist after finding a recent paper by Nancy Qian, a professor of economics at Brown University, entitled "Missing Women and the Price of Tea in China: The Effect of Sex-Specific Earnings on Sex Imbalance."

There has been an ongoing debate (see this 2005 article and a more recent rebuttal) since the coining of the term "missing women," which refers to a significantly male-skewed sex ratio through selective abortion and abandonment of females, especially in places like China, India and Sri Lanka where the cultural preference is for male children.
Many Asian populations are characterized by severe male-biased sex imbalances. For example, whereas 50.1% of the current populations in western European countries are female, only 48.4% are female in India and China. (Qian)
That discrepancy may not seem large, but consider the size of these populations: It translates into 44 million missing women in China in 1990, when the data were first published.

Qian makes the case that economics can directly affect this imbalance, however, and through a surprising source: tea. China is the world's largest producer of tea, churning out 835 metric tons in 2004.

Because of the low height of tea bushes there (about 2 1/2 feet), Chinese women have a distinct, natural advantage over the usually taller men in harvesting the delicate leaves.

If the price of tea rises, then, women's value economically stands to as well. And as tea is such a massive crop in China, this could start to equalize the country's male-skewed sex ratio.
Regarding relative survival rates for girls, increasing the price of tea can operate through [several] channels. First, it can increase the relative desirability of having a girl by increasing parents’ perceptions of daughters’ future earnings relative to that of sons. Second, the increase in total household income can increase the relative desirability of girls if for some reason daughters are luxury goods relative to sons. (Qian)
Paying more for your morning cup of tea, therefore, could be affecting far more than your wallet, if it does mean an increased economic value for women. According to Qian's research, an increase in tea's value boosts female survival rates as well as educational attainment in China.


Backing up my comments I offer this data.

品 名
等 级
批发价(元/斤)
精品信阳毛尖
明前贡品特级
2600

明前一级
1580
高档信阳毛尖
雨前特级
1260

雨前一级
980

雨前二级
880
中档信阳毛尖
一级
680

二级
560

三级
450


"Label","US cents per Kilogram"
Jan 2007 249.70 -
Feb 2007 212.50 -14.90 %
Mar 2007 203.27 -4.34 %
Apr 2007 192.05 -5.52 %
May 2007 190.04 -1.05 %
Jun 2007 202.05 6.32 %
Jul 2007 211.91 4.88 %
Aug 2007 210.39 -0.72 %
Sep 2007 231.25 9.91 %
Oct 2007 224.30 -3.01 %
Nov 2007 209.64 -6.54 %
Dec 2007 206.05 -1.71 %
Jan 2008 229.70 11.48 %
Feb 2008 264.67 15.22 %
Mar 2008 246.29 -6.94 %
Apr 2008 260.91 5.94 %
May 2008 265.14 1.62 %
Jun 2008 284.52 7.31 %
Jul 2008 287.48 1.04 %
Aug 2008 321.90 11.97 %
Sep 2008 321.59 -0.10 %
Oct 2008 282.39 -12.19 %
Nov 2008 241.00 -14.66 %
Dec 2008 228.48 -5.20 %
Jan 2009 261.59 14.49 %
Feb 2009 270.00 3.21 %
Mar 2009 262.86 -2.64 %
Apr 2009 277.41 5.54 %
May 2009 288.00 3.82 %
Jun 2009 287.14 -0.30 %
Jul 2009 337.65 17.59 %
Aug 2009 328.38 -2.75 %
Sep 2009 374.41 14.02 %
Oct 2009 344.77 -7.92 %
Nov 2009 361.05 4.72 %
Dec 2009 374.22 3.65 %
Jan 2010 338.67 -9.50 %
Feb 2010 332.35 -1.87 %
Mar 2010 332.61 0.08 %
Apr 2010 313.59 -5.72 %
May 2010 286.14 -8.75 %
Jun 2010 262.36 -8.31 %
Jul 2010 259.18 -1.21 %
Aug 2010 315.09 21.57 %
Sep 2010 337.18 7.01 %
Oct 2010 339.86 0.79 %
Nov 2010 331.68 -2.41 %
Dec 2010 352.13 6.17 %
Jan 2011 368.10 4.54 %
Feb 2011 349.75 -4.99 %
Mar 2011 330.65 -5.46 %
Apr 2011 325.33 -1.61 %
May 2011 327.68 0.72 %
Jun 2011 334.05 1.94 %
Jul 2011 356.14 6.61 %
Aug 2011 358.17 0.57 %
Sep 2011 362.27 1.14 %
Oct 2011 357.14 -1.42 %
Nov 2011 351.27 -1.64 %
Dec 2011 333.36 -5.10 %

It's pretty obvious if you really think about it.

Where do you get this sh!t?
 
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Looking forward to hearing the update on the clutch.

I can ammuse myself all day long in the proclimb forum.
 
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Your right wyo i should stay humble, and i really didnt want the relationship to end like that, i still cant believe it.

They hit me when i was down, and it pushed me over the limit i have never bad mouthed a dealers service online ever...

That whole situation sucks, but im hopefully getting my sled fixed asap and i now know cat is aware of my issues and is confident about fixing them!

-Aksnopro
 
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The problem I see is that the dealer system doesn't work. Arctic Cat doesn't pay them to debug problems, only to fix them. It's ****ty that they sent the picture in to Arctic Cat, especially since if 3/8" is causing the intake boot to be lose would be dumb. I can see the dealer trying to get rid of someone that they won't get paid to help.

I tried to get a dealer to clean my reverse sensor magnet to stop the ****ing beeping, but the dealer didn't understand what the problem was, or how to fix it. They thought that the reverse actuator extension thing was off a tooth, which isn't actually possible, so of course Arctic Cat isn't going to pay them to do bull**** work that won't help. Arctic Cat knew what the problem was, why don't they have a dealer forum where the dealers can discuss this crap. I ended up cleaning the ****ing sensor myself, perhaps I should invoice Arctic Cat the 45 minutes it would take it if I had practiced doing so.
 
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the sleds at a dealer, im missing out on another weekend with it because they dont want me to ride it till the updates have all been done. they dont have an answer to the snow ingestion yet. but think they have the belt issue fixed, the melted plastics and melted clutch fan are no brainer warranty items. we will see what they come up with but the conversation went good and they contacted my dealer of choice with a direct call.

-Aksnopro

:)

Good to here. This belt fix could be interesting though. You'll have to post details for everyone else if this dealer does happen to fix it. Unless you were referring to Cat having the fix... in which case they had better hurry up and get that info out to the dealers.
 
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They think the shim is the fix and had dealers send some belts back cause they think they had a bad batch.

He cant really say give him a new secondary or primary or anything else for that matter till its at-least updated with all there bulletins and it still has an issue...

-Aksnopro
 

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I doubt its going to fix it, may make it better but ???
We should know in a few weeks, mine is at the dealer now getting updates, I've blown 3 belts all with 150miles.
 
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