Snowmobilers vs. Wilderness

snowduner · Apr 24, 2008

SnowSnob said:
Well it won't be long and everything will be closed to us and I see no reason to be curtious or obey the closed areas we've been riding for years.
I think it's actually going to be fun. Get a fairly big group together every so often, plan a route and a "escape route" through areas we have always ridin in and some we haven't always been allowed in.
We'll have names like Mr. Blue, Mr. White etc in case anyone gets caught.
I'm going to shred the he11 outta a few cross country ski trails (i.e. old snowmobile trails) and spit on them as I go by...just trying to give back.

Why do this sort of thing and wreck it for everyone else.
There is no reason to leave trash and go on places that are set aside.
If you don't like how they have all the land set aside go somewhere else. Why support their communities if they don't even want you there.

Wade · Apr 24, 2008

Icehole, So if we followed the forest services logic, wouldn't they close all banks, if someone robs one?

Or, should we just fine them? And, then threaten to close the banks?

Icehole · Apr 24, 2008

Wade, I'm not here to debate our Forest Sevices ability, or lack of ability, to manage "our lands". But I will always take a stand when I feel your actions or someone elses actions and decisions begin to impead on mine or my families future to continue to enjoy "our lands" and those activities we enjoy. The fact that some individuals condone poaching the closed areas simply assures one thing - more closures! One more reason our sport will continue to fall under the scrutiny of those that want us banned.

West Coast Sleds · Apr 24, 2008

Greenies and FS can go take a hike !

The areas they are protecting have no tree's (We ride above the tree line) I didnt know that snow and rubber tracks hurt rocks...... If they want to protect wilderness then do so. But give us access to some of the wilderness with good riding. Wilderness could be at like 1000-4000 feet right ????

Who said wilderness has to be at the higher elevations? Make wilderness at sea level on the west coast for all I care! Oh dont forget to pack your shi* out. Did you know that if you horse back ride in the wilderness you have to pack yours and your animals shi* out ?????? WTF is wrong with this world???? Last I looked animals craped where they want.

The Sierra Club, US Forest Service need to worry about something else. Or .............................. Why wate my time.

King o the Hill · Apr 24, 2008

Icehole said:
I'm with newtrout...
What's the draw to the closed areas, knowing that you are breaking the law excites you? You want that kind of excitement - then go rob a bank, if you get caught - you pay the price but it does not affect me, my kids, or for that matter, others on this forum - poaching a closed area hurts us all!!!

I can tell you this ....It hasn't got us any more riding areas by obeying the law and not riding wilderness areas (The most pristine riding areas).....conversly it has got us less land as time goes by....I am going to ride it while I got it cause soon enough we will be fighting each other for areas........look at Glamis LOL talk about a joke.....they are already posting speed limits at Blue Lakes now...where do my fees go now...sure as hell doesn't make for better riding areas or more visible boundries

Ridersride · Apr 25, 2008

Ride everything you can , When the snow melts I bet you cant find any tracks or damage to the dirt and rocks..

Its not going to get better by following all the rules as our areas get smaller and smaller ... It has nothing to do with Sleding in closed areas its all about Rules and management for the FS . I've never seen a Sled hurt a Rock or Dirt Because we're 12 feet above it....

SnowSnob · Apr 25, 2008

snowduner said:
Why do this sort of thing and wreck it for everyone else.
There is no reason to leave trash and go on places that are set aside.
If you don't like how they have all the land set aside go somewhere else. Why support their communities if they don't even want you there.

I'm sorry but what the he11 are you talking about??
How would I be wrecking it for everyone else when I clearly said that soon EVERYTHING will be closed, that's when I go on my rampage...when nothing or very few places are open to us. And who said anything about dumping trash or supporting them??

too many :beer;:beer;
I currently obey the laws and currently am courteous to the click clicks and ground pounders but it won't be too much longer when that will all change.

Obviously what were doing now isn't working, I don't think going into Wilderness is going to help us AT ALL but obeying the rules and trying to be the better group isn't working either.
I think we need to get the message across that we will not be kicked out of our own backyards where we have just as much of a right to be.
Writing letters don't work, what's the next step???

snowduner · Apr 25, 2008

SnowSnob said:
I'm sorry but what the he11 are you talking about??
How would I be wrecking it for everyone else when I clearly said that soon EVERYTHING will be closed, that's when I go on my rampage...when nothing or very few places are open to us. And who said anything about dumping trash or supporting them??too many :beer;:beer;
I currently obey the laws and currently am courteous to the click clicks and ground pounders but it won't be too much longer when that will all change.

Obviously what were doing now isn't working, I don't think going into Wilderness is going to help us AT ALL but obeying the rules and trying to be the better group isn't working either.
I think we need to get the message across that we will not be kicked out of our own backyards where we have just as much of a right to be.
Writing letters don't work, what's the next step???

I agree with you. Snowmobilers are the better group. The only reason we are being targeted is because of some fourwheelers and motorcycles and other rec sports.

Wade · Apr 25, 2008

Icehole said:
Wade, I'm not here to debate our Forest Sevices ability, or lack of ability, to manage "our lands". But I will always take a stand when I feel your actions or someone elses actions and decisions begin to impead on mine or my families future to continue to enjoy "our lands" and those activities we enjoy. The fact that some individuals condone poaching the closed areas simply assures one thing - more closures! One more reason our sport will continue to fall under the scrutiny of those that want us banned.

I don't condone riding in Wilderness, at least not yet. And, I'm not convinced that the rules allow them to close a area due to violations. Might be compelling evidence for a senate subcommittee.

But, if all it takes is someone breaking the rules to us shut out, then we've already lost. Because people that are willing to burn down buildings and SUV's, are willing to ride a snowmobile into a Wilderness area to get us shut out.

Dobber1 · Apr 25, 2008

SnowSnob said:
I currently obey the laws and currently am courteous to the click clicks and ground pounders but it won't be too much longer when that will all change.

Obviously what were doing now isn't working, I don't think going into Wilderness is going to help us AT ALL but obeying the rules and trying to be the better group isn't working either.
I think we need to get the message across that we will not be kicked out of our own backyards where we have just as much of a right to be.
Writing letters don't work, what's the next step???

Exactly.....they aren't solving any problems, just creating more! I think we as a group are going to finally get tired of being shatted on. It's going to turn more good people into "bad".

What's the next step? Just go ride!

West Coast Sleds · Apr 26, 2008

????

Does airplane exhaust, Jet Fuel A AKA (Clean Diesel) fall to the groung or disipate in the air??? I dont know, but my guess is that it falls to the ground. So if the only impact snowmobiles have in the wilderness is exhaust smoke or poloution I would say that there are a hell of alot more airplanes flying over the wilderness doing damage then we are.

Better shut done the airline industry now.....:beer;

Fricking rediculous !!!!! FTH (F**k Tree Huggers !)

SnowSnob · Apr 29, 2008

Someone suggested this already but why the he11 don't we sue the FS?
They have enforced areas that have not been legally closed yet, that should be illegal.
I think if we sued them....and won, it would be a huge step for us. They might not be so reluctant to side with the greenies and keep pulling BS moves.
Anyone want to start a thread asking for money to "SUE THE FS".
He11 I'd throw at least $30 right away....and I'm kinda cheap.

TIM · Apr 29, 2008

SnowSnob said:
Someone suggested this already but why the he11 don't we sue the FS?
They have enforced areas that have not been legally closed yet, that should be illegal.
I think if we sued them....and won, it would be a huge step for us. They might not be so reluctant to side with the greenies and keep pulling BS moves.
Anyone want to start a thread asking for money to "SUE THE FS".
He11 I'd throw at least $30 right away....and I'm kinda cheap.

just so you know, the Idaho state snowmobile association has spent over $60,000 on the caribou lawsuit in north idaho. To sue will take alot of money. And the caribou lawsuit ain't over yet.

tim

Wade · Apr 29, 2008

Right on Snowsnob, seems to me citizens rights are being trampled. Isn't there a legal organization that "claim" to champion the rights of Americans? I could just see the ACLU stepping in to help us.

I'll throw in some money for a lawsuit, but you realize we are talking millions of dollars to do something like this. We need someone with deep pockets to help us.

SnowSnob · Apr 29, 2008

If I had millions I'd just go buy up the land at my favorite riding area...or better yet the favorite area of ground ponders and click clackers, then make the area motorized use ONLY.

see how they like it.

West Coast Sleds · Apr 29, 2008

Law suit

How about Hallaburton. They seem to have a couple x-tra bucks with the cost of fuel now days????

PowderMiner · May 2, 2008

We need to write to the FS, Elected officials, groups telling them not to exclusively group vehicles.

If you have ideas this is a great place to post them, find as many facts as you can (contacts, #'s of, measurments, ect...) and make a coordinated effort to write the parties involved and provide feedback to additional efforts, I’d love to help, we can be the majority voice if we speak out!

PowderMiner · May 2, 2008

I am fearful that some people’s under-informed (possibly uneducated, comedy central news-source, need of acceptance in their pot smoking circles) views will lead to the downfall of individual rights, like snowmobiling. Or even worse eliminate the ability to work hard to get ahead to enjoy nice things like snowmobiling. No?

snowduner · May 2, 2008

get some of tom cruises money. Hes a snowmobiler, saw it on oprah!

Hillboy · May 3, 2008

They need to start making sleds white camo

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