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. . . the third Camso DTS 129 kit on the 2008 KTM 300 XC-W. My BIL's bike.

I will be buying a Ski Doo Expedition from him so my wife can ride it and we can all go riding and my brother in law will get a Camso DTS 129 kit for the bike and I will install it on the KTM.

Is there anything I need to know or that I need to get for the 300 XC-W to make it all run good?

Engine jacket.

Thermobob?

Heated carburetor?

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I have not installed any of those often talked about items on either of our 2 xcws. No carb heat, no filter jacket or skins...nothing so far. Yes, these things were all on my list of things to do last winter but just got too busy. I started to plumb up my own glycol heated handle bar system and air-charged forks but did not finish when spring came around and both of those mods would not make an engine difference anyway. They are on my 2019 list once the garage is insulated and heated this fall. Also, put a thermometer style radiator cap on both bikes to monitor rad temps which was helpful in comparing both bikes which are identical in all ways except using the Suzuki needle/jet in one of them.

Did I have running problems last season up here in sub/sub zero great white north? ...no, not really. Just the first ride during x-mas in -20 deg temps was a little troublesome getting the bikes started and one of the xcws has a much higher operating temperature once warmed up which could be due to a small leak in the rad-half. I think this year we will play by ear and do the minimum trickery only if needed but definitely finish off the handle bar heat and charged forks. A stiffer front suspension will help with control but really very happy with the 2T bikes on the snow and Camso's kit so far (4-5 rides last winter).
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in the backwoods of Montana you won''t ride many days without carb heat. Hit the wrong conditions and a half mile at a time limping back to the truck maybe.
along with that cover the motor to help, for sure a 2 stroke thermo bob, some get by with stock KTM ( which years ?). I like a wrapped pipe becuase in lots of fluff otherwise clouds of steam slow going up in your face fogging the best goggles.

after that the list is endless. firmer forks......good
better foot pegs or cover stock with bike inner tube
temp gauge
I have no first hand experience with the Comso ski to make it handle ?
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My main complaint with the Camso ski is the" no mans land feeling" going from the center runner to an outside runner when cornering hard on the trail. Basically you have to lean the bike over and hope and pray the outer ski skeg hooks up. They did exactly what I thought it needed for 2019. There is a new deeper outer keel with a vertical component like the Yeti ski. They have also added 4 ribs to the corners of the ski in order to add more torsional rigidity. Both of these changes I think are directed towards improved trail manners. In the deep I found the ski is pretty decent because of the large shovel and its huge width.

As for your 300, I wouldn't run without carb heat, I've had a 2T with no carb heat freeze wide open and its no fun. Sorry MS but 4-5 days is not a test. The thermobob, maybe take it or leave it, I don't have one I just block off rads as needed. I would spend the money for a real temp gauge though and mount the sensor at the head. Those rad cap things are crap they are inaccurate for true head temps and they are slow. Watch a digital temp gauge and you will see how fast your temps change.

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As for your 300, I wouldn't run without carb heat, I've had a 2T with no carb heat freeze wide open and its no fun. Sorry MS but 4-5 days is not a test. The thermobob, maybe take it or leave it, I don't have one I just block off rads as needed. I would spend the money for a real temp gauge though and mount the sensor at the head. Those rad cap things are crap they are inaccurate for true head temps and they are slow. Watch a digital temp gauge and you will see how fast your temps change.

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I did a little ice racing 30+ years ago and had carb icing issues, in what seemed to be far warmer temperatures than last winter's snow bike outings. I think icing tends to be influenced by humidity as well. Up here in Southern Ontario it is dry by the lake in the winter but more humid than most regions during the summer...but I do plan to address the carb heating issue this fall just for fun and before I have to snow shoe home.


I bought a new lathe so I will attempt an intake heater circuit similar to the one I was posting here last winter. I want to keep the stock lower hoses and t-stat for summer use and remake a new carb/handlebar heat circuit just for winter - anyone have any ideas on this? I have already bought the fittings and lines for carb and handle bar heat but got side tracked by ski trips last winter. The plan is to do a combo ski/snow bike trip out in Quebec this February so I want to be reliable enough. Before you know it the winters over!
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I did a little ice racing 30+ years ago and had carb icing issues, in what seemed to be far warmer temperatures than last winter's snow bike outings. I think icing tends to be influenced by humidity as well. Up here in Southern Ontario it is dry by the lake in the winter but more humid than most regions during the summer...but I do plan to address the carb heating issue this fall just for fun and before I have to snow shoe home.


I bought a new lathe so I will attempt an intake heater circuit similar to the one I was posting here last winter. I want to keep the stock lower hoses and t-stat for summer use and remake a new carb/handlebar heat circuit just for winter - anyone have any ideas on this? I have already bought the fittings and lines for carb and handle bar heat but got side tracked by ski trips last winter. The plan is to do a combo ski/snow bike trip out in Quebec this February so I want to be reliable enough. Before you know it the winters over!
Humidity comes from snow melting off the pipe and engine. (Steam)

Also a 2 stroke carb venturi is especially susceptible to causing moisture to freeze and stick the slide.

I’m guessing you never rode in deep enough snow to have icing issues.

My 2 stroke had icing issues at 34 degrees. (From the cooling effect of fuel air venturi)
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Carb ice is a temperature/ dew point issue.

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Aircraft carb heat comes on at like 6 or 7 degrees C cant remember which is in the 40's F. Humidity is the enemy. The air going through the carb at high velocity creates wind, condenses and then freezes the moisture in the air, more moisture more ice. That's why you can still get your carb un-frozen even when its a little below freezing out when the bike is just idling. No air movement no wind chill.


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