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Haven't really been down this road, but exploring some options for higher HP for a client. Any thoughts on something along the lines of ....a Thumper Racing 520 kit on a 450SX-F. Vs a Raze ECU, exhaust and de-smog on a 500 EXC? Both would be new bikes....I am assuming the SX should have a performance advantage, but no idea how much. The 500 would have the advantage of maintaining the "factory seal" on the motor.

Not looking to get hung up on the transmission....but more on if people have ridden either, and if they were satisfied/unsatisfied with the upgrade. Or if there is another option worth looking at....FI is out of the budget.
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Haven't really been down this road, but exploring some options for higher HP for a client. Any thoughts on something along the lines of ....a Thumper Racing 520 kit on a 450SX-F. Vs a Raze ECU, exhaust and de-smog on a 500 EXC? Both would be new bikes....I am assuming the SX should have a performance advantage, but no idea how much. The 500 would have the advantage of maintaining the "factory seal" on the motor.

Not looking to get hung up on the transmission....but more on if people have ridden either, and if they were satisfied/unsatisfied with the upgrade. Or if there is another option worth looking at....FI is out of the budget.
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I believe the 16-19 bikes get a 490 big bore from thumper racing.
12-15 have a 520 big bore available.
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Have you checked out https://www.ktmandhusky.com/

They have some great stuff that just makes sense.
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PR2 Racing should be considered for ECU.

I'd probably desmog the 500, run a PR2 ECU and make it back to lot every time.
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my riding partner and I both ride 2013 KTM, mine a stock 500, his sx with thumper big bore kit. 4 years of riding every weekend. We just put a new piston in his bike a couple of weeks ago, pricey like $320 for kit and gasket.
Out in the snow his bike will out climb my slower rev'n 500, often in level pull in deep powder..... little difference. I like my wide ratio tranny and lazy high speed riding down a road, his bike has the edge in short burst out of trashy creek bottom and up a steep climb. He runs the box from the guys in Bozeman and he has alittle cleaner running bike. At the end of the day we use within a .1 of a gallon of the same amount of fuel. We both run heat exchangers and run 175-190 constant temps. 4 years minimal piston wear when we have changed both out, minor valve shim changes.

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We both run heat exchangers and run 175-190 constant temps. 4 years minimal piston wear when we have changed both out, minor valve shim changes.
Are you running the stock thermostat on your 500 or a thermobob or avid? With the heat exchanger are you still running the rads or are they removed?
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After my horrendous experiences with Thumper Racing my advice is no matter which way you go bike wise, keep the internals stock.

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My experience as well, stock internals just go the distance -- some big bores are better than others, rule of thumb to me (if reliability is what you want) keep the engine stock. If you want big bore torque go get a 500 if you like long revving power get the 450. Exhaust intake and porting the head are all fair game with moderate gains and good reliability. Remember the last crop of MX bikes are as powerful stock as a 14 with mods
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my riding partner and I both ride 2013 KTM, mine a stock 500, his sx with thumper big bore kit. 4 years of riding every weekend. We just put a new piston in his bike a couple of weeks ago, pricey like $320 for kit and gasket.
Out in the snow his bike will out climb my slower rev'n 500, often in level pull in deep powder..... little difference. I like my wide ratio tranny and lazy high speed riding down a road, his bike has the edge in short burst out of trashy creek bottom and up a steep climb. He runs the box from the guys in Bozeman and he has alittle cleaner running bike. At the end of the day we use within a .1 of a gallon of the same amount of fuel. We both run heat exchangers and run 175-190 constant temps. 4 years minimal piston wear when we have changed both out, minor valve shim changes.
That is good stuff, thanks. I've always felt the 450's make a lot more drama than the 500's, but in a comparison they accomplish about the same stuff. The 500's just run in to the rev limiter fairly quick. An aftermarket ECU with higher rev limit does make sense in that regard, and then the factory exhaust and emissions are a known restriction.

Now....the 500 is a more expensive bike to start, and by the time you do that stuff, you are a good chunk more than a stock 450. So is there ENOUGH of a performance gain there to justify the extra cost of going that route? Tough call
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