Paddle height and spacing determines traction, surface area determines flotation.
17 174 Axys is 442 lbs...
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plus 850 hp
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.....I don't understand your math, OR your point...
...my thought to this thread is simple; the longest tracked sled that Polaris is offering is only a lb difference than longest track sled that Doo is offering...
...spin that HOWEVER you like, but just my observation.
Ace
The 165 will be lighter when riding it than the poo 174. As far as square footage of the tracks. It is meaningless. Extra length will get you farther than extra width. How the hillclimb shakes out will depend on how the 3.5 pitch works and how much drag and trenching the new chassis got rid of.if comparing t3 174 to axys 174 the axys would mop the floor. My bet is the new doo is awesome. When laying them on their side in the trees the doo is still going to drag in the snow because they are still quite a bit wider,there, than the axys but they will be way better than they were.
Currently Longest Track - Ski Doo & Polaris
2017 Summit X 174
Dry Weight 467 LB
2017 PRO RMK 174
Dry Weight 442 LB
By the way I do love my "short track" 155 Axys, but I think the GEN4 Ski Doo and 850Etec are going to work great! Each sled will have its area to shine, maybe one will "spank" the other. Not sure if I care. I will leave the spankings up to Snowmobiler and Grandma:face-icon-small-win I am excited to see the manufactures continue to give us such great choices for the backcountry:face-icon-small-coo
2017 Summit X 174
Dry Weight 467 LB
2017 PRO RMK 174
Dry Weight 442 LB
By the way I do love my "short track" 155 Axys, but I think the GEN4 Ski Doo and 850Etec are going to work great! Each sled will have its area to shine, maybe one will "spank" the other. Not sure if I care. I will leave the spankings up to Snowmobiler and Grandma:face-icon-small-win I am excited to see the manufactures continue to give us such great choices for the backcountry:face-icon-small-coo
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Interesting you were able to find the weight of a 17 Doo 174.
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Weight is only a figment of you imagination ... When the powder is boiling and the sky is blue nobody is complaining about weight.
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Ace
1 why is it Polaris fault doo made there 165 as long as a axys 174 so they should be penalized??? Makes zero sense other than spinning into the doo favor.
2 Is it fair that then 2016 sleds weight Polaris should compare there 163 to the doo t3 174 for weights?? I dont think you would like that comparison. Polaris would be 50+ lbs lighter
This is a no spin post! No Poo or Doo spin on the facts.
want to compare weights you compare most comparable length sled same size track and then see the difference.
I'm not picking sides I'm just stating how you weigh a sled fair. and in this case I said it before. The doo made strides in the right direction in many ways but have not gotten within 20lb of the axys yet.
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I for one don't want a 174 ever. I enjoy tight technical tree riding so my choice for sled length is the 155 or 156.
Driving 174's in the trees are like driving a pickup truck on a race care course.
Different strokes for different folks. If your a big hill climber 174 might be for you imo if technical 155-156 is my choice.
Driving 174's in the trees are like driving a pickup truck on a race care course.
Different strokes for different folks. If your a big hill climber 174 might be for you imo if technical 155-156 is my choice.
Amen!!
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403250
both bone stock
163 axys 3"= 532lbs wet
174 t3 xm= 551lbs wet.
now factor in the weight loss doo claims plus the extra power for the 850 g4. it will actually be really close in weight but stock for stock will be upwards of 15-20hp
both bone stock
163 axys 3"= 532lbs wet
174 t3 xm= 551lbs wet.
now factor in the weight loss doo claims plus the extra power for the 850 g4. it will actually be really close in weight but stock for stock will be upwards of 15-20hp
That's what I've been saying in another thread and got a lot of sh!t over it. No one thinks wet weights matter. :face-icon-small-dis
With the poo 174 weighing in at 442 dry that's 16 lbs heavier than the 163 x 3. That would put wet weights only 2 lbs apart on the Xm 174 and the poo 174. The G4 would be way lighter at that point.
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It is on the Ski Doo website.:face-icon-small-coo I realize this is not the GEN4, but it is the longest 2017 Doo makes. Hopefully the GEN4 chassis next year!
http://www.ski-doo.com/content/dam/...cuments/Spec-sheets/2017_Summit_X_174_Web.pdf
Are you saying this after riding both side-by-side, or is this what you assume to be true? I ask because i rented an xm 174 this season and thought it was extremely nimble in the trees. Of course I am coming from primarily riding an xp, but I didn't feel like it was a "pickup truck" by any means. I put it to the test too, quite a few steep off cambers, lots of carving 180 degrees around trees, climbing up river valleys. I didn't try an xm 154 the same day, but I didn't feel like I wanted the 174 to be more nimble. The only times I got stuck was going straight up some super steep heavily treed areas where I just ran out of power/traction, had nothing to do with not being able to hold the line I was looking for. Maybe I would have been less tired at the end of the day on a 154? But then again, maybe I would have had to dig out more on a 154 and been more fatigued? Would be interesting to hear if you ran both track lengths, in the same model, on the same day.
You guys and your "wet weight" argument LOL
Sounds kinda like the yammi video where they packed the skid and sled full of snow and tried to claim there wasn't much difference between them in weight. How did that "spin of the truth" work out for them? NO ONE believed them! I doubt this attempt will gain much traction either. But there is always a few who will drink the doolaid . . . LMAO!!
If you have a heavier sled. . .its ok. Just add more power to overcome it. . . that's what yammi had to do
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You guys and your "wet weight" argument LOL
Sounds kinda like the yammi video where they packed the skid and sled full of snow and tried to claim there wasn't much difference between them in weight. How did that "spin of the truth" work out for them? NO ONE believed them! I doubt this attempt will gain much traction either. But there is always a few who will drink the doolaid . . . LMAO!!
If you have a heavier sled. . .its ok. Just add more power to overcome it. . . that's what yammi had to do
So your telling me you can ride your sled with no Oil/Gas/coolant? Man, i need to get what your riding....
Maybe i will just have to fill the new REV G4 "saddlebags" with a little magic.
You guys and your "wet weight" argument LOL
Sounds kinda like the yammi video where they packed the skid and sled full of snow and tried to claim there wasn't much difference between them in weight. How did that "spin of the truth" work out for them? NO ONE believed them! I doubt this attempt will gain much traction either. But there is always a few who will drink the doolaid . . . LMAO!!
If you have a heavier sled. . .its ok. Just add more power to overcome it. . . that's what yammi had to do
That's the difference between the yami and the new Doo. One is actually quite light. Is it really that hard for you diehard poo guys to accept that Doo is getting their weight close to or even lower than the poo rtr?
It's ok. Just admit it. We won't tell your buddies that you accepted the truth. But once you do it will be easier from there on out.
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So if Im reading this right 174's are cool now? :bowl:
