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2015 etec seized (don't know why?)

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I was riding yesterday went about 45 miles, sled ran really good all day lot of tree riding and some climbing, on the way back it was getting cold, I was cruising along about mid range and the sled seized up on me, I tore into it today, piston on mag side was ruined the ring didn't break and it's still lose, and I'm pretty sure the cylinder is ruined too, my question is what do you think caused it to seize? Bad gas? I'm pretty sure it was getting oil there was oil all over the rave valves? I'm not sure why it would have seized? Any input would be appreciated.
 
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It is super unusual for an etec to seize. Cruising along in the midrange and stick the mag side...I'd verify it was getting oil first thing. Next thing is a vac leak. Verify the throttle bodies were seated, clamps tight. Reed boot not delaminated or split?
Not typical to get a vac leak from a case seal failure with a doo because of the sealed main bearings.
If all looks to be in order there, you may have had an injector fail and go lean. Again very strange with an etec. 2015 should be under warranty if its still stock??
 
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burnz

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my 15 siezed on me a while back too was able to roll the clutch by hand and break it loose, it only ran on one cylinder after that but enough to get it out and loaded. only thing i could think of was maybe a little water in bad gas froze it was about -20ish, mines at the dealer still:face-icon-small-fro warranty wasn't a problem though
 
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Thanks for all the input guys, I'll make sure I check all that was mentioned and also talk with the dealer, I appreciate it.
 
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burnz

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what happened with your sled? mines been at the dealer for like a month now because Ski-Doo is fighting them on warranty
 
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That sucks man, my sled wasn't under warranty anymore cause it was a rental sled so I had to pay for the repairs myself.
 
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burnz

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mine should have been covered but the computer had temp reading of 209 so they are saying warranty is void. still fighting the bastards definitely can't afford to fix it myself right now , that new cat is looking better everyday might find myself on one once i find work
 

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mine should have been covered but the computer had temp reading of 209 so they are saying warranty is void. still fighting the bastards definitely can't afford to fix it myself right now , that new cat is looking better everyday might find myself on one once i find work

I thought these etec's were programmed to protect them self? So why would they void warranty if it hit 209? It should shut down before it damages itself. I would ask them about this when you are arguing with them.
 
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coolant doesn't even boil until 230 that shouldn't harm the engine, the piston on mine that seized looks as though its a lack of oil anyways which should be unrelated. I'm calling Quebec tomorrow to argue with them, if they don't cover it I'm going to hopefully have a job by summer and rebuild it then and trade it in for a cat
 
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coolant doesn't even boil until 230 that shouldn't harm the engine, the piston on mine that seized looks as though its a lack of oil anyways which should be unrelated. I'm calling Quebec tomorrow to argue with them, if they don't cover it I'm going to hopefully have a job by summer and rebuild it then and trade it in for a cat

Pistons are fit to the cylinders so the clearance is optimum at the intended operating temperature. If the temperature gets too high the aluminum pistons grow too much and get too tight in the cylinders and get scuffed in milder overheating instances and seize with more severe overheating. They will seize even if there isn't a basic oiling issue.

Once there is not enough clearance between the piston and cylinder wall there is not enough room for sufficient oil and the higher friction also creates additional heat which adds to the issue. Technically the seizure is from insufficient oil, but it’s a problem brought on by excessive temperature rather than am oiling system malfunction.

The coolant may not be boiling, but that doesn't mean the pistons cannot not seize if they get tight in the cylinder.

If the pistons are fit loose so they won't seize even when overheated then they run loose at the standard operating temperature and that's not good either as ring life and power suffer, among other issues.

The bottom line is engines are engineered to run within a certain temperature range, and if the operating temperature is too low or too high problems will result.

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Wondering if anyone knows about how many degrees is represented by each bar on the temp graph on a 2015 T3 800 Etec, and how many bars is too hot?
 
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Wondering if anyone knows about how many degrees is represented by each bar on the temp graph on a 2015 T3 800 Etec, and how many bars is too hot?

i don't know myself but if I had of known I'd have been saved a lot of headache, utterly frustrated with Doo right now case on warranty is still open haven't been covered yet
 

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Wondering if anyone knows about how many degrees is represented by each bar on the temp graph on a 2015 T3 800 Etec, and how many bars is too hot?

I found this on an old post:

"here is the temp scale 2 visible bars is 50*, 3-86*, 4-104*, 5-140*, 6-158*, 7-167*, 8-176*, 9-194*"

My 16 usually runs 4 bars, in the 110-135 range (My 16 shows the temp on the dash)
 
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Overheated

So if BrP says you overheated the motor was the display beeping?
I have overheated mine to the 8-9 bars and by the 9th bar, sled is beeping.
I have overheated mine just warming it up and that threw the code that the dealer saw.
 
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