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Old 02-28-2017, 02:50 PM
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Lightbulb WHAT IS THE TRUE VALUE:USED TURBO KIT OR COMPLETE TURBO SLED, FOR SELLER AND BUYER??

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WHAT IS THE TRUE VALUE: USED TURBO KIT OR COMPLETE TURBO SLED, FOR SELLER AND BUYER??




I get asked for my opinion on this topic by our members quite often in emails and PM's

So I put it up here for discussion... and so I don't have to keep typing replies to people.


This kind of thread is helpful, IMO... so that people are aware of the true cost and value of a used turbo system.


What is fair for the Seller and buyer to expect in terms of price/cost?




Below is my presentation of my OPINION...

I know this thread may raise the Ire of owners or retailers of kits... this is my honest opinion that I have passed on to many potential-buyers of kits in emails/PM's that I believe is fair to the seller and the buyer of a kit taken from an 'eyes wide open' perspective.

Mountain sleds.... SnoWest's kind of riding for the most part.


When you buy a new turbo kit the buyer of the NEW kit should be aware of the value/price of the kit in terms of the possible future scenario of wanting to sell the turbo-kit or turbo-sled ... and what they could expect to sell the kit or sled for.

For the purposes of this thread...SAY... If you buy a $4000-ish Turbo-kit use it for a year or so... and then sell it to someone else as a kit (off the sled)

Yes, I know there are more expensive kits with more features etc on them... but for the terms of this initial presentation in this thread... I'll keep it to these $4000 ish systems. We can discuss the more expensive systems as this thread evolves.



Depending on the kit... you will either have:
1) A Turbo kit with an ECU that has been "re-flashed" by the MFG

2) A full "piggyback" controller where the ECU remains stock

3) A kit where the programmer is provided to you in the cost of the kit, and you as the customer can do any 'reflash' necessary without the need to send in the ECU for service.

There is also the possibility of a kit that uses a full, stand alone ECU that replaces your factory ECU. (eg Vipec) NOTE: These kits have a higher cost and can be discussed separately below.




In Scenario #1 (ECU must be sent in and re-flashed by mfg)
To sell the kit, removed from the sled, you mush either:
A} Provide the buyer with the flashed ECU from your sled, if their injectors are the same and buy a new ECU from Polaris and have it flashed at the dealer (cost to you would be about $700 parts/flash at dealer)

To me this system, off of the sled, would have a value/price of around $2000-$2500 IF the system has low, verifiable, hours on it, is complete with all documentation and parts etc that came with the kit when new and is in excellent cosmetic/mechanical condition.

B} Sell the kit and let the buyer fend for themselves in terms of ECU.

To me this system, off of the sled, would have a value/price of around $1200-$1800 if the system has low, verifiable, hours on it, is complete with all documentation and parts etc that came with the kit when new and is in excellent cosmetic/mechanical condition.

In Scenario #2 (Full Piggyback system )
As long as you are careful in removal...
To me this system, off of the sled would have a value/price of around $2000-$2500 if the system has low, verifiable, hours on it, is complete with all documentation and parts etc that came with the kit when new and is in excellent cosmetic/mechanical condition.

In Scenario #3 (Programmer is included)
To me this system, off of the sled would have a value/price of around $2200-$2700 if the system has low, verifiable, hours on it, is complete with all documentation and parts etc that came with the kit when new and is in excellent cosmetic/mechanical condition.

Significant reductions in price for incomplete, damaged or high-hour units.

Of course, there are some stellar low hour kits out there AND... a seller is entitled to ask whatever they want.



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Lightbulb COMPLETE SLED WITH TURBO KIT INSTALLED:

COMPLETE SLED WITH TURBO KIT INSTALLED:

For a used sled that has a season or more use. (Not for a new build that has one or two rides on it and 'break in hours')

Value of a completed sled with a turbo installed on it... I would say that the turbo would/should add about $1000 - $2500 to the normal price of a sled on an equally equipped Non-Turbo 'N.A." on the market...there is the added value of the turbo and the installation time...but faster depreciation of the sled due to the additional wear/tear on the chassis and engine that comes from adding considerably more power to the sled... Not to mention any warranty on the sled has been voided (this would have to be taken into consideration on 'case by case')

There would also be a significant reduction in value of a Turbo'd sled, if abused, high-hour, worn out/damaged etc... stuff that can happen from the higher horsepower and resultant wear/tear on the sled.

In some situations, I would value a turbo sled lower than a N.A. sled with comparable 'goodies' on it because of this wear/tear.

Many may see for sale, what they feel, is a low price on a used turbo sled...Get all PUMPED UP and think...heck...."Look how much that would cost me to build that sled"... again... to flog the dead horse...Go in with EYES WIDE OPEN...leave your emotions/excitement on the side and evaluate the true value of the sled based on expected life, future or current repair/maint costs and even, in some situations, forgone warranty.

Of course, there are some stellar low hour sleds out there AND... a seller is entitled to ask whatever they want.

Nowadays, with the relative ease of installation of a kit... and the lower prices of new kits... It sometimes makes sense to find a low mile used N.A. sled and turbo it yourself rather than buy a used turbo sled.



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My $0.02 really quick...

In this day and age, whereby turbos plain work (barring a bad install or mechanical failure of a component withing the kit), a person really should never take the turbo off and sell it.

Powersports world is really the only world where returning something to stock is a "thing", and to be honest, it shouldn't be.

Ethically, selling a sled as "stock" after it has had heavy performance modifications is BS.

Parting something out (totaled sled), this I get, and is the only excuse for selling a turbo kit second hand IMO.

With that said, what value does the turbo add to the sled? That's highly dependent on who installed it, who ran it, the condition of the sled, etc.

If I were to buy a turbo sled second hand, I'd likely need to see it run, and plan on doing a top end regardless. Cheap PM. I'd also expect to buy the whole sled (assuming no other mods) for about the same price as an in-season stocker. So $11.5-12K for a pull-and-go turbo sled with 500-1000 miles seems about right.
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Anything "used" with the word "turbo" doesn't hold much value...IMO. Too much risk whether on a sled already or a take-off kit. Especially on 2 strokes.

At best, a perfect used sled with a turbo kit might command 10-15% more in price...for a 2 stroke.

For a 4 stroke, I think it improves a bit...maybe 20% more range. But a 4 stroke handles boost much more consistently and reliably.
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Scenario 1 , you would pay more if Ecu is excluded?
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Thanks GM.... I just fixed the typing errors.

Of course for some of the super deluxe, high dollar kits... the numbers would change a bit....
BUT in this day/age where a deluxe brand new kit with W/A intercooler and SS exhaust costs less than $4500... and other brand-new kits costing over $1000 less than that... It is hard to see numbers varying that much.





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Talking Some good tips revisited: Buying a used Turbo kit or Turbo-Sled

TTT/stickie for the new season.

Been getting a lot of messages on this very topic...

Buying/selling a used Turbo or Used Turbo-Sled is something that involves more than "I paid over $xxxx.00 for the kit" .... lots of things to consider.

And with new tech and new 'tunes' coming out every season... and the newer kits being so easy to install... buying a good used non turbo sled and a NEW kit can put you $$ and peace-of-mind ahead.







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Agreed, unless it's an absolute smoking deal, might as well buy a new kit for peace of mind. If you have to pinch pennies to buy a turbo kit, you probably shouldn't be buying a turbo kit.
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Just out of curiousity. Is silber still charging an obscure amount of $$$ to reflash the ecu? Is the maps still locked to the ecu serial nr?

Was so before when i had silber on my pro (which had bogging issues). Now im running a mtntk kit on my axys with the same reflasher (bullydog), and im free to reflash how much i want without any serialnumber obstruction.

What you pay up front should be all what you pay. Not some hidden charging fees that varies on who you ask (100-250$)... Hope that trend is dying!
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