2018 c-tech starting issues like proclimbs?

kidwoo · Mar 6, 2018

Most of the riding areas finally have snow so maybe a bigger sample size now. Are the c-tech motors having the same starting issues as the previous 2 or 3 model year proclimbs? Like when the sled is run, sits for 10-20 minutes, won't start, especially when cold?

Other than cracktastic clutches, these seem to be doing well so thinking of pulling the trigger on one.

thanks!

bucky919 · Mar 6, 2018

700+ miles on mine, with no hot start issues, even when cold starts on first pull most of the time.

summ8rmk · Mar 6, 2018

If u pull real fast it will start first pull everytime. If ur more relaxed when u pull, it may take 2 pulls. Hot, cold and in between.

After 400miles mine started acting like the Zuke, high idle after running it hard, shut it off before it drops to 1800 and it will backfire. Other than that this engine is awesome and smooth..... always crisp never gurgles..

Alpha

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eldereldo · Mar 6, 2018

My sled sat overnight outside a cabin for a day and a half, didnt go above -17 during that time, it started with one pull. Starts pretty much the same hot or cold. What I figured out is that if you want it to start on the first pull, is make sure you pull the full length of the cord. It usually starts just at the end of your pull. If you pull ‘short’ it will take a couple of pulls.

You are welcome to try it out when you come out to Whistler.

bcriderm8 · Mar 6, 2018

+1 on the full length pull. Figured that out on the second trip out. Starts every time with the extra little revolution you get.

kidwoo · Mar 6, 2018

eldereldo said:
My sled sat overnight outside a cabin for a day and a half, didnt go above -17 during that time, it started with one pull. Starts pretty much the same hot or cold. What I figured out is that if you want it to start on the first pull, is make sure you pull the full length of the cord. It usually starts just at the end of your pull. If you pull ‘short’ it will take a couple of pulls.

You are welcome to try it out when you come out to Whistler.

I might have one by then

This question is a little time sensitive, wink wink.

If not I definitely want to check yours out. Thanks for the offer.

summ8rmk · Mar 6, 2018

Do it!

Alpha

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kidwoo · Mar 6, 2018

summ8rmk said:
Do it!

Alpha ......

Get outta my thinks!

ultrasks700 · Mar 7, 2018

Mine has E-start and it starts with a tap of the starter, warm or cold. Coming up on 900 miles, ZERO issues with this platform

Qreiff · Mar 7, 2018

350 miles no hot or cold starting issues at all. Cold starts in the morning usually first pull. No backfires either. Great motor. For it's size,(I came off a modded M1000) it's very strong and crisp! Don't even miss the torque of the 1000.

dw8 · Mar 7, 2018

Just over 1000 miles. Starts much better than my 13, the 15, and 2 16's in our group. Those are rough in the morning and can be finiky once they are good and hot.

Just make sure to yank hard. We ride low elevation on the east coast, and it can't be a lazy pull. Commit to a full pull and it turns over first time, every time

Fish10782 · Mar 7, 2018

Starts every time one full pull. It's a solid platform. Minus the intake gaps

GlennRMK · Mar 7, 2018

kidwoo said:
Most of the riding areas finally have snow so maybe a bigger sample size now. Are the c-tech motors having the same starting issues as the previous 2 or 3 model year proclimbs? Like when the sled is run, sits for 10-20 minutes, won't start, especially when cold?

Other than cracktastic clutches, these seem to be doing well so thinking of pulling the trigger on one.

thanks!

What starting issues?

I've had 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 M8s and they all start easily

summ8rmk · Mar 7, 2018

GlennRMK said:
What starting issues?

I've had 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 M8s and they all start easily

All my Zuke's required a touch of the throttle to start when warm.

Alpha

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sno*jet · Mar 7, 2018

its pretty rough but ive joined a support group to help deal with the pain of starting my zuke.
we meet tuesdays and thursdays right after AA.

DDECKER · Mar 7, 2018

so happy to be on to the new motor....... my all my zukes and me never got along as well as this new girl I gots

kidwoo · Mar 7, 2018

GlennRMK said:
What starting issues?

I've had 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 M8s and they all start easily

Heh, I wish it was simple as "a little throttle"

Two scenarios it happens. Never just starting up at the beginning of the day.

1. running hard and then letting the sled sit for 15-20 minutes. Gets heat soaked and cuts the power to the fuel pump. Sometimes takes about 30 minutes, no matter how many pulls. I've almost spent the night out or been towed because of it.

2. Falling off/pulling the tether and cutting the motor while revved up. Symptoms same as above.

Seems worse the colder it is.

Documented:

http://www.snowandmud.com/arctic-cat-proclimb-m/101981-m8000-starting-issues-tips.html

http://www.arcticchat.com/forum/proclimb-m/439122-2016-m8000-wont-start.html

https://www.snowest.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-370605.html

I run finger throttles so never have TSS switches connected.

If you've never experienced it, consider yourself lucky. But with 50+ pulls you can be damn sure you're going to try every throttle position available. That doesn't do squat.

I've had my dealer talk to arctic cat and they know the problem exactly, just don't have a fix for it other than "add vents" and "the newer ones are better". The only thing I've found that helps is cutler's temp shutoff switch they sell with the turbos. It does work but this shouldn't happen on a stock sled.

summ8rmk · Mar 7, 2018

I've heard of the issue from a few people.

Little over 7,000 miles on zuke 800's i never had that problem.
My 14 seahawk sled's keyswitch would cause an issue every once and a while. Turn off and on a few times and it would start.

Alpha

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kidwoo · Mar 7, 2018

summ8rmk said:
I've heard of the issue from a few people.

Little over 7,000 miles on zuke 800's i never had that problem.
My 14 seahawk sled's keyswitch would cause an issue every once and a while. Turn off and on a few times and it would start.

It has always started.........eventually. Which is why I don't think it's a connections thing. There are tons of threads here about it actually. Obviously some sleds are less sensitive to it but it's definitely a thing. My buddies and I had a lot of m-series sleds with this same motor and nothing like this ever happened.

But it will start up first pull, run for a second or two and cutoff, or cutoff as soon as you hit the throttle. Then pull a second time, the lights kind of flicker but won't start, then flicker just barely the next pull, and then just go completely dead. Pull the plugs and they'll be bone dry. Check spark and it's all there. The fuel gets cut and the system either needs to cool off, or completely drop any residual voltage so the ecu resets.

But like I said, if you've never experienced it, consider yourself lucky.

sno*jet · Mar 8, 2018

thats a weird and unacceptable problem you have kidwoo. makes me think weak fuel pump or something. and you had previous comments about your sled feels low on power... something not right with your machine me thinks.
meeting is tonight at 8pm if youd like to talk about it. hang in there.

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