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Old 01-04-2018, 07:55 AM
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Default Update to my previous "T-motion lock-out or not?" thread

OK..... I have some new info that may affect my previous thread questions, and possibly a few answers from you guys;
https://www.snowest.com/forum/showth...73#post4116273

Sled: 2013 800R E-Tech 154"
It shows no signs of abuse.... no tunnel twist...... sits nice and level...... it's a very clean machine with under 1,300 miles on it.
I believe that all suspension components are OEM and are not High Performance components!

My issues:
I have ridden my son's 2015 T-motion sled before, and that is what led me to this purchase. So..... this is my first T-motion sled ownership.
However, this sled has felt unstable to me as though it has a tendency to dive left.


The update story:
On our most recent ride, I stopped several times to make a few adjustments to my suspension spring pressures.

Fist up:
I increased the front shock spring pressure as to see if I could eliminate some of the tendency for the front to dive left.
I increased both sides equally. (third cam up towards full pressure)
Results..... Better..... but it still had a tendency to dive left.

Second up:
I then increased the left shock spring pressure, and lowered the right side spring pressure.
Results...... Better!

Third up:
I raised the track suspension coil spring pressure by rotating both cams one click.
Results...... Better yet!

I have not yet made any changes to the skid limit straps.


Questions:

Do I suspect that the left shock spring has lost tension?

Do I suspect that the left shock has lost internal gas pressure and that the spring pressure may be OK?

I plan to remove the shocks and test them as well as test the springs against each other!

What should I be looking for?

If I end up replacing the two shocks, what should I buy that won't break the sled bank?


Thanks in advance for any suggestions that you may offer.

Rick E.



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Old 01-04-2018, 08:50 AM
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I had a front shock on my 2014 xm lose oil/pressure and it sagged more and didn't get the sled to come back level. Happened over the summer. Shock guy said it was something internal that failed. I took both shocks off and had them rebuilt on warranty. That was about 500-600 miles. I just removed all 4 off the shocks on the machine and had fresh oil put in them. Cost was $200. They are the rebuildable KYB summit X shocks. Time will tell if they hold up. Usually they feel pretty solid for 500-1000 miles.
You can get a set of X shocks for about $300-600 all 4 and have fresh higher quality oil and or valving adjustments made if needed. Or spend $1000-3000 on high performance Fox, elka, raptor.
But you most likely have something wrong with shock for the sled to dive to the left.
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Tahoepow, thank you for that!

That gives me a few things to think about.

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Diving left is a typical trait to the xm once the stock can is removed. Increasing the left shock spring preload compensates for this as you found out already.


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Diving left is a typical trait to the xm once the stock can is removed. Increasing the left shock spring preload compensates for this as you found out already.


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Have you checked ski alignment?
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Have you checked ski alignment?

Yes, the skis appear to be aligned correctly re; toe-in/toe out. However, I will be checking this again.
They are brand new skis........ and I've ridden on them three times only!

More specifically, when I mention that the sled dives left, what happens is that it feels soft at the left front and has/had a tendency to dip, dart or dive left. After having increased the left side spring pressure, it did help some.

I have yet to remove the shocks as to compare the spring extended length, spring pressure, shock extended length, etc to each other.


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shocks ever been rebuilt?




If not they are over due.




If they are SP shocks, throw them away and get a set of X shocks.


SHR has a set of fresh S-36 X shocks in stock. We can be reached @ 612.718.3861

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