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Been real quite all season, to easy to bolt on a turbo?
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I asked the same question a month ago and was told by FEZ who works for SHR the turbo has taking over the BB game. No need to spend money on a BB and lose power at elevation, when you can spend the same amount on a turbo and not lose any.
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Ya we went and ran two turbos with a 927 last weekend. It's not even a comparison between the two. The turbos just pull and pull and pull and the big bore struggled to show any on the hill advantage of a decently clutched stocker.
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I've been saying this ever since I first rode a BB. The money and hassle of still having to run race gas is not worth the measly power increase. Turbos smoke BB's on the mountain.
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Going to send my 927 back east for independent dyno testing as I have found a well clutched stocker will run neck and neck with the 927---go to the TMS website and read Dave's statement on a stock G4 850---- porting a stock 850 does not justify the time and expense of pulling the engine out, also says porting not worth the loss of low end torque, throttle response and increased piston wear. so now we move on to the 927, punch it out to a 85+ mm piston and we have all this power on tap, now is there room to port the 927? or is there minimal power gains in bore and compression alone? is the bottom end grunt from the increased compression? also rode with a ported 850 this weekend and it will drive away from the 927 start to finish. have had very noticeable gains in the TMS872, the TMS927 is a waste of $2300 and once you voice this you become a Red Neck Hillbilly that doesn't know anything!!!! and you see the true colors of your former Engine Builder.

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Going to send my 927 back east for independent dyno testing as I have found a well clutched stocker will run neck and neck with the 927---go to the TMS website and read Dave's statement on a stock G4 850---- porting a stock 850 does not justify the time and expense of pulling the engine out, also says porting not worth the loss of low end torque, throttle response and increased piston wear. so now we move on to the 927, punch it out to a 85+ mm piston and we have all this power on tap, now is there room to port the 927? or is there minimal power gains in bore and compression alone? is the bottom end grunt from the increased compression? also rode with a ported 850 this weekend and it will drive away from the 927 start to finish. have had very noticeable gains in the TMS872, the TMS927 is a waste of $2300 and once you voice this you become a Red Neck Hillbilly that doesn't know anything!!!! and you see the true colors of your Engine Builder.
Whoís porting on the 850? I know d&d racing is seeing good gains on the dyno with porting the 850.
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Going to send my 927 back east for independent dyno testing as I have found a well clutched stocker will run neck and neck with the 927---go to the TMS website and read Dave's statement on a stock G4 850---- porting a stock 850 does not justify the time and expense of pulling the engine out, also says porting not worth the loss of low end torque, throttle response and increased piston wear. so now we move on to the 927, punch it out to a 85+ mm piston and we have all this power on tap, now is there room to port the 927? or is there minimal power gains in bore and compression alone? is the bottom end grunt from the increased compression? also rode with a ported 850 this weekend and it will drive away from the 927 start to finish. have had very noticeable gains in the TMS872, the TMS927 is a waste of $2300 and once you voice this you become a Red Neck Hillbilly that doesn't know anything!!!! and you see the true colors of your former Engine Builder.
Yup Tms seems to be not so good at standing behind some of their product ,we did 2 872s a couple of years ago , professionally installed ,proper fuel etc. . 1 has run very well the other has been a pos . Lots of base gasket issues ,2 burn downs , keeps,blaming it on the install .bs , skidoo certified tec did all the work .wont give a straight answer on torque spec for the jug ,instructions say 26 lbs. factory is 35 . When we did the first 1 the squish was different from 1 hole to the other ,a lot different .any ways he wonít be getting any more of our money . Oh yeah we heard the hillbilly thing to
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The 927 works, and works well if yah spend the time to tune the clutching, I was disappointed in the 927 at first. Now a well setup 850 wonít come close to a 927.
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I've been saying this ever since I first rode a BB. The money and hassle of still having to run race gas is not worth the measly power increase. Turbos smoke BB's on the mountain.
Youíve had 2-3 turbo sleds over the last few years. How many good rides have you had in total??? I think you told me about 1 this year. Most people donít have near as much issues as you but turbos have a LOT OF ISSUES. Of the 4 Trygstad Big bores Iíve done I NEVER had ANY issue. Not a single one. I still have one(2015 174), and two of my buddies have the first two I built. Those where 2013 XMs. One got new pistons at 2200 miles and still rips. Dave recommended 1800 miles and that is spot on. Owner went about 200 miles too far. He was burning oil and losing power. It never broke tho and the owner of that sled is rediculously hard on sleds. The fourth one went to Alaska a couple years ago and Iíve lost track of it.
My 174 872 XM with about 1300 miles has at least as much power as my 2018 175 850 with 500 miles.
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Youíve had 2-3 turbo sleds over the last few years. How many good rides have you had in total??? I think you told me about 1 this year. Most people donít have near as much issues as you but turbos have a LOT OF ISSUES. Of the 4 Trygstad Big bores Iíve done I NEVER had ANY issue. Not a single one. I still have one(2015 174), and two of my buddies have the first two I built. Those where 2013 XMs. One got new pistons at 2200 miles and still rips. Dave recommended 1800 miles and that is spot on. Owner went about 200 miles too far. He was burning oil and losing power. It never broke tho and the owner of that sled is rediculously hard on sleds. The fourth one went to Alaska a couple years ago and Iíve lost track of it.
My 174 872 XM with about 1300 miles has at least as much power as my 2018 175 850 with 500 miles.
Chadly the fuel mixing comment cracks me up. I buy 20 gallons of race gas at the pump. I put approximately 1 gallon per 5. Either put a gallon in a fuel jug, just pour it in the tank while fueling from the pump or put 10 gallons in my 60 gallon tank on board the trailer. Couldnít be easier. 20 gal of race gives me 100 or more gallons of fuel for the sleds. Thatís a ton of riding.

And the big bores of yours I rode are like a half horse power more than my stocker. I've never been so unimpressed in my life. They are a huge waste of money.
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