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Ford F150 3.0 Powerstroke Diesel ???

richracer1

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Here is a copy/paste of the statement I mentioned earlier from one of the big aftermarket sled products MFG. Yes, this crap also applies to modding our sleds......




§1068.235 Exempting non-road engines/equipment used solely for competition.
(b) If you modify any nonroad engines/equipment after they have been placed into service in the United States so they will be used solely for competition, they are exempt without request.
(c) If you modify any nonroad engines/equipment under paragraph (b) of this section, you must destroy the original emission labels. If you loan, lease, sell, or give any of these engines/equipment to someone else, you must tell the new owner (or operator, if applicable) in writing that they may be used only for competition.
Owner Responsibility:
Individuals engaging in performance enhancement and support must understand and comply with applicable Federal and State laws, including but not limited to compliance with US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) emissions regulation. To use the competition exemption noted above:

  • Owners must destroy any existing emissions label installed by the manufacturer. If the emissions label is combined with other content, only the portion of the label related to emissions need be destroyed. This does not pertain to vehicles already exempted and labeled as competition-only vehicles from the factory
  • Owners of vehicles modified for competition must inform, in writing, any purchaser of the vehicle that it has been exempted from EPA regulations and therefore may be used only for competition.
By installing this performance tuner, you recognize that "enter aftermarket product MFG here" has informed you of certain obligations necessary for competition use of your vehicle.
 

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People have been removing emissions systems from vehicles for decades, I don't think this is the place to debate the ethics behind it.

Interesting link though, some real weird stuff going on out there. I had no idea H&S sold 86k tuners in 3 years!
 

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People have been removing emissions systems from vehicles for decades, I don't think this is the place to debate the ethics behind it.


The topic must be near and dear to him for some reason or he wouldn't spend the time and effort to educate all of us about the consequences of it.


Did you get burned on this Rich?
 

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We all occasionally run across an overzealous over-achieving officer.
Consider the chaos he could cause because he woke up with a chip on his shoulder!
 

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The topic must be near and dear to him for some reason or he wouldn't spend the time and effort to educate all of us about the consequences of it.


Did you get burned on this Rich?


Nope, just passing along information. Personally I could care less if you do a DPF delete or anything else to your vehicles.
 

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That had to hurt!

H&S had already closed/sold out (Banks?), but seven figures is real money. Two principals had to pay $400k USD on the spot, with the obligation to pay the rest a short time later.


It will be interesting to see how far down the food chain they pursue these kits, track VINs, etc., keep eyes open. For those who delete, don't toss the old downpipe, EGR, and other hardware.
 
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The Ford Ecoboost is an impressive powerful half-ton truck; I drove a friends this week-end & Wow; Empty it would probably win a drag race over my Ram 3500 Cummins at 425 hp & 930 torque. I would still rather pull my 28' Mirage sled trailer with my 3500 than the F150 in the winter even though that trailer loaded is only about 6500 lbs. That impressive twin turbo V6 F150 got me to thinking though, what would a small block Chevy V8 with twin turbos or a supercharger be like?? Only ~$7000 add-on with more impressive performance in either a half-ton or better yet a 3/4 or 1 ton chaises.:juggle:

Stock diesel trucks are NOT quick. They may feel that way because of the size but Make no doubt a 3.5eb would embarass you in a drag race.
 

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Stock diesel trucks are NOT quick. They may feel that way because of the size but Make no doubt a 3.5eb would embarass you in a drag race.


Lucky for me "Quickness" is a NON issue for this truck.
Just need to be able to pull trailer a dozen times a year and then be a GREAT DAILY DRIVER the other 350 days of the year.
 

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Kinda Brutal...
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/08/is-the-2018-ford-f-150-turbo-diesel-cost-effective.html


Is the 2018 Ford F-150 Turbo-Diesel Cost-Effective?

Posted by Mark Williams | August 30, 2018



By Andy Mikonis
My first encounter with a 2018 Ford F-150 with the new turbo-diesel 3.0-liter V-6 and 10-speed automatic transmission came at the Midwest Automotive Media Association Spring Rally in May.


My second encounter with the same truck — a 4x4 SuperCrew in Platinum trim — came more recently, providing a longer period to drive it. I headed out of Chicago for a trip to Michigan during which I could put to good use the F-150's 250 horsepower and impressive 440 pounds-feet of torque while also testing its fuel economy.


Mileage Test Results
For this mileage test, I cruised normally, keeping up with traffic on interstates and rural highways while also driving in city traffic at both ends of the 546.8-mile trip. Ford provides a nice 10-speed gear indicator in the information cluster; it's interesting to watch multigear transmissions to see if and when they get into top gear. This one wastes little time getting up there. At 70 mph it was rolling around 1,700 rpm. With a light foot on a flat road, you can carry 10th gear down to about 1,100 rpm, or about 47 mph. Hit an easy incline and the transmission effortlessly drops down to 7th.


According to the trip computer, my fuel economy for combined city/highway driving was 24.2 mpg. Interestingly, the much shorter initial test I did earlier came in at 24.3. My calculations yielded 23.5 mpg. Trip meter mileage over different legs of the trip was consistent with a high of 24.6; the way it crept up on the longer stretches, it seemed like it could hit the EPA highway estimate of 25 mpg on an uninterrupted interstate run.



When I started the trip with the gas tank full, the computer told me I had 599 miles to empty. Distance to empty was 37 miles when I filled up at the end of the trip, so the computer's estimated trip range was in the ballpark.
One concern was the diesel exhaust fluid level. When I began my trip, it showed 7,500 miles remaining. After the 546.8 miles it still showed 7,500 miles remaining. Ford spokesperson Samantha VanHoef told me in an email that the indicator ticks off in 500-mile increments until 500 miles is left. Then the low-level warning comes on and the fluid level indicator goes down by increments of 50.





"Your estimated [distance-to-empty] range will be variable based on speeds, cold start, vehicle weight and altitude where operating," she wrote. "Most will see a base vehicle with a range from 7,500-10,000 miles when operating at sea level. Aggressive drivers & loaded vehicles will see a range of 4-5K on a single DEF tank fill."


Ford targeted 30-mpg highway for EPA estimates for the 2018 F-150; only one configuration hits that mark, the two-wheel-drive SuperCab turbo-diesel. The 4x4 diesels like the one I drove get 20/25 mpg city/highway. It's kind of a wash with a 2018 Ram 1500 4x4 EcoDiesel — the mini Power Stroke's closest competitor — which officially gets 19/27 mpg city/highway.


Is Diesel Cost-Effective?
Ford's diesel doesn't exactly run away from its gasoline stablemates in EPA ratings. The diesel option on the Platinum trim is $3,000 extra. National average fuel prices during my testing were $2.85 a gallon for regular and $3.22 for diesel. When calculating overall costs and taking the combined EPA estimate of the Platinum's base 5.0-liter gas V-8 (the likely alternative for most buyers looking for more torque), the diesel offers 5 mpg higher combined ratings. For these prices, the break-even point on fuel alone is almost 200,000 miles. Then there's the cost of DEF and possibly higher maintenance costs to factor in as well.


Steering average consumers to higher trim levels to get the diesel engine doesn't help them get the full value of that engine, yet that's what Ford is doing. To get the diesel engine, consumers must choose Lariat, King Ranch or Platinum SuperCrew pickups with 5.5- or 6.5-foot beds or a SuperCab in those trims with the 6.5-foot bed. However, fleet buyers can get any trim level while facing the same cab and bed restrictions. With a 3-mpg advantage over an XL or XLT 4x4's base 3.3-liter gas V-6, you'll have the same break-even cost issues, but with an even higher price of entry for the option. For the fleet-friendly F-150s, the Power Stroke engine is almost a $5,000 upcharge. The middle ground would be the Lariat trim equipped with an entry-level 2.7-liter EcoBoost V-6. This engine also gets within 3 mpg (combined) of the diesel, but the diesel option is a $4,000 premium.
Some people might look to this diesel engine as a stout tow rig and to support that, Ford put out some eye-popping payload and towing numbers.
The max payload of 2,020 pounds is only for a two-wheel-drive work truck that is not available at retail dealerships. This SuperCrew 4x4 Platinum's "tire and load" sticker showed 1,260 pounds for payload capacity, which is pretty much right in line with a well-equipped Ram 1500 EcoDiesel of the same configuration. And like the Ram, according to Cars.com reviewer Aaron Bragman's observations, Ford's baby Power Stroke is probably not your best bet for towing at the limit. He found performance adequate while moderately loaded, but flat when towing at just more than half its max towing weight rating. Also, it lacks an exhaust brake and the Tow/Haul mode did not function as aggressively as expected. On the upside, it did get better fuel economy than a 3.5-liter EcoBoost, which is known to get thirsty when towing.





Unlike Ram's EcoDiesel V-6, which was first conceived for European SUVs, Ford says the 3.0-liter Power Stroke was a "commercial grade" truck engine from the start, developed by the team responsible for the 6.7-liter Power Stroke. But, unlike what you might have expected from a traditional truck diesel, this engine is quiet. And there is an across-the-pond connection to a Ford engine family — it was developed for Land Rover when the automakers were still partners. Deliberately romping on the throttle from a stop was the only time I heard a hint of diesel clatter. It probably helped that our test truck was a Platinum and had all the sound insulation that comes with a top-end truck.


As luck would have it, the following week I received a 2018 Land Rover Range Rover HSE Td6 to test. This has a variation of the new F-150 diesel engine tuned to 254 hp and 443 pounds-feet of torque. The Range Rover has an eight-speed automatic with full-time four-wheel drive and a 3.21:1 ring-and-pinion gear. Its EPA rating is 22/28/24 mpg city/highway/combined. Aside from an 80-mile round trip on urban highways, I drove mostly around town for a total of 229.4 miles and netted 20.6 mpg combined. Even though this is slightly lower than the Range Rover's city EPA numbers, I consider this impressive for my driving environment and especially for a vehicle tipping the scales right around 5,000 pounds. Land Rover charges a $2,000 premium for the diesel engine option (for most Range Rover models), which given the average cost of the vehicles is a relatively small premium. And yes, it was quieter than the F-150.


As to the real-world power output of the new Ford diesel, PickupTrucks.com Editor Mark Williams took a 4x2 XL SuperCab F-150 with the Power Stroke to a local chassis dyno shop for several pulls. The results? A 7th gear pull worked best (with its 1.00:1 gearing) and got 226.4 hp at 3,250 rpm at the rear wheels and 400 pounds-feet of torque at 2,750 rpm.



Our bottom line is that though it may be just right for diesel geeks looking for the latest technology, Ford's F-150 diesel looks like it might stay a small player. With limited production planned, the 3.0-liter Power Stroke may not amount to much more than mileage bragging rights option for the ultra-lux crowd, at least for now. Of course, PickupTrucks.com still has not done a thorough towing or hauling test of the engine, so it's possible we'll learn more later. The return of the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel in 2019 and a new inline-six-cylinder Duramax from Chevrolet and GMC (with the same 10-speed transmission they're using with the 6.2-liter gas V-8) will give diesel fans plenty to look for when they hit the market. Stay tuned.
Cars.com photos by Andy Mikonis
 

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I have decided to give this a try.
In the hunt for the best price on a new custom 2019 F150 3.0L


Supposedly the 2019s become available for pre-ordering by the general public on Sept 20th.
 

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Being that it's such a new model with limited numbers if you get it and decide it's not for you, you might be able to re-sell easier with less loss than typical.
 

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Being that it's such a new model with limited numbers if you get it and decide it's not for you, you might be able to re-sell easier with less loss than typical.
If it behaves like a high end F150, but gets better mileage on the highway and can pull my 28ft sled trailer, then I don't think I will have any issues with it. If I can get 25mpg going down the interstate back and forth to SLC without a trailer, then I will be a HAPPY CAMPER. If I get anything close to 30, it will be nothing short of AMAZING.:face-icon-small-hap



Will have to Run out the warranty on the engine before we clean up all the emissions stuff to find out what the engine is really capable of..
 

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Won't be enough power pulling 28ft trailer at elevations. The 5.0 will out pull this. Trailer empty maybe but geared up not.
 

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Won't be enough power pulling 28ft trailer at elevations. The 5.0 will out pull this. Trailer empty maybe but geared up not.
Doesn't match up with what the guys are saying who run the F150 turbo gaser...

And the diesel has more torque...


And after towing with my F250 V10 for the last 9 years, this little 3.0l has MORE torque than I have now..
And it looks like its quite capable of putting out 500ft/lbs with a tuning kit on it.
Which really should be more than enough...
 
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Won't be enough power pulling 28ft trailer at elevations. The 5.0 will out pull this. Trailer empty maybe but geared up not.

How do you figure the naturally aspirated 5.0l will out tow the 3.0l turbo diesel at elevation?

Just like with sleds, turbo engines don’t suffer the 3% power loss per 1k feet of elevation like naturally aspirated engines do. There’s still some power loss (unless it has active altitude compensation) but it’s MUCH less.

That’s how the little 2.7l ecoboost destroyed all the big naturally aspirated gassers up the Ike Gauntlet towing test.
 
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