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There are a lot of comments and claims regarding tariffs.
I would like to see credible information that clearly illustrates tariffs imposed BOTH WAYS.
For either side to cite tariffs to support their agenda (without mentioning the tariffs that inspired the new tariffs) is simply incomplete and thus false information.
There's no simple answer....there are a LOT of variables depending which country and which goods. Are the good politically sensitive? Are they something that can be produced at home easily, or something that NEEDS to be imported? Is it something that some 3rd world country is going to flood your market with because they charge $.25 an hour labour? Safe to say no country (and definitely not the US) has low tariffs just to be nice guys....economists toil 24/7 over what should be traded freely vs what should be restricted. What about the US economy would lead you to believe you are at a disadvantage historically? As mentioned earlier....you don't get to be the world's largest economy, with the most consumer buying power, by getting screwed.

On tariffs between Canada and US ...other than certain sticking points (such as softwood lumber), most of the trade is tariff/duty free ala NAFTA (and the Canada/US specific free trade agreement that preceded NAFTA). Picking on the softwood lumber say....the Canadian forest industry is traditionally able to produce lumber cheaper than the US, and depending where the exchange rate is at the CDN lumber could have a good price advantage in the US market. So every so often the US has a freak out and doesn't like that....sure, fine. The crux is....the US can't produce all of its own lumber, so it will HAVE to import some regardless. And consumers want the best price...so you're really only affecting them by either forcing a more expensive product on them and/or limiting supply (same result +/-). So an easy solution doesn't really exist...the US accused the Canadian gov of subsidizing the lumber industry for years, until it was concluded that wasn't' the case...Canadians simply produce lumber more efficiently, and the stumpage fees are lower due to the way the forests are owned/managed. So it's a true competitive advantage, and a true capitalist *should* be ok with it....but the US always likes some protectionism with its capitalism and therein lies the problem.

That's just one example....obviously there are many examples in the opposite direction, as it's a safe bet the US produces many items cheaper than Canada is able to....greater economies of scale, lower taxes, less harsh climate, more efficient shipping/transportation, yada yada. The biggest difference in the current dispute is the Trump sensationalism....it's not like the issues are new.
 
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I get a kick out of you lefties crying about the wall!
You are forgetting that in 2006 Senators Obama, Biden, Clinton and Schumer voted to build a wall. But now it's a bad thing because Trump wants it.
Lol!

Just saying...
 

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Once they successfully cross the border, it's like they have reached the promised land, they have it made.
This is what needs to change.
No documentation?......
No benefits
No public tax dollars whatsoever
No rights
Our schools will teach in one language, our language, ENGLISH!

With all that said and they still want to come here to work, I have NO PROBLEM with that. After all this is the USA! That's what we were built on!

This is still my take on it.
 

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This is still my take on it.
Approaching the border & asking for asylum is not a crime & has not been a crime, but these are the folks who were having their kids separated from them. DJT's "zero Tolerance" was essentially turned into zero tolerance of any kind of immigration. Glad to see its getting challenged.



And we still have no national language.
 

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Tariffs & China

Furthermore, I agree with the logic of those against tariffs.
Tariffs are simply another tax, a revenue source that our Government will piss away as they see fit.
In a perfect world there truly should be ZERO tafiffs.
That said, I understand that perfect world will never exist.


Personally, I have ZERO problems with any & all tariffs imposed upon China. After North Korea, they are probably the MOST oppressive regime on earth, and whatever we might complain about supporting "illegals" with our tax dollars, make no mistake - all the Chinese stuff in your house is propping up a communist country. As they impose tariffs upon us in return, MAYBE, just MAYBE we'll take a look at our walmartified society that wants everything for absurdly cheaper than it takes to produce in the united states. If we stop having a glut of soybeans produced & shipped to China, maybe we could take some of the subsidies that have been dumped into the farming industry & pay off the national debt. Maybe we could start manufacturing again. It is absurd to me that there are so very few manufacturing hubs in the US. How much is spent shipping garbage from China & shipping our farm exports TO china every year?



I realize this would take a substantial shift in the way everyone in the US thinks & lives. I'd say it needs to happen though. We've gotten lazier and lazier and cheaper & cheaper as an aggregate. Hard work & appreciation for quality needs to increase about 10 fold.



That's my bit for today. I do think tariffs on Canada & Mexico are just plain stupid though.
 

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Originally Posted by Mafesto
I get a kick out of you lefties crying about the wall!
You are forgetting that in 2006 Senators Obama, Biden, Clinton and Schumer voted to build a wall. But now it's a bad thing because Trump wants it.
Lol!


Not exactly Mafesto They voted on the Secure Fence Act of 2006 which was passed by a Republican Congress. Originally the act called on the Department of Homeland Security to install a least two layers of fencing along some stretches of the border. So to say they voted for a wall in comparison to "the Donald" wall is completely incorrect but it does feed your narrative. So like i said lets stop the BS.
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Lets see if he will MAGA?? :face-icon-small-dis

An article, linked below, Brings to mind our President Trump Comment: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'

Trump not only has shown that he does not understand Global economics... but he really doesn't care to listen to his very qualified advisors that have recommended that he not proceed.

Also brings to mind...
"No astronaut launches for space with their fingers crossed... that's not how we deal with risk"- Chris Hadfield
It seems to me that this is how DJT is dealing with too many important issues...with his fingers crossed...

And, I get it.... Many LIKE that Trump is shaking things up... which should be good, given the political mire we are all in. But there is no plan and DJT is not listening to the very specialists that can help him to actually be a good president.

I'll bring up a very old saying...
"Our plans miscarry because they have no aim. When a man does not know what harbor he is making for, no wind is the right wind." - Seneca

Where is the aim? What port is he making for? How does this all tie together? He has no answers for this.


For our sake, I hope this article is wrong... truly do... but all my info points to to President Trump opening a 'can of beans' that will hurt many American families in our heartland... With his 'fingers crossed'

From the Wall Street Journal, one of the bastions of CONSERVATIVE press in the USA.
Chinese Tariffs Hit Trump Counties Harder
Beijing’s retaliation would be felt by U.S. soybean farmers, auto makers and oil producers​

By Maureen Linke and Josh Zumbrun
July 6, 2018 5:30 a.m. ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-tariffs-hit-trump-counties-harder-1530869400

The fallout from President Donald Trump’s tariffs and China’s countertariffs—which formally went into effect on Friday—will have the greatest impact on the U.S. counties that voted Mr. Trump into office.

The U.S. tariffs on China will initially hit about $34 billion of goods, with plans in place to raise that total to $50 billion. The tariffs will fall mostly on Chinese aerospace products, information technology, auto parts and medical instruments. Beijing is retaliating with tariffs on $34 billion of American goods, aimed at farm products, cars and crude oil.

The U.S. tariffs will provide a protective buffer for some companies that compete with Chinese imports, but Beijing’s retaliation will affect huge swaths of the American heartland, according to an analysis from Moody’s Analytics, which calculated how much of gross domestic product in each county is in industries that would benefit from the protection or be hurt by the retaliation.

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The November elections are your opportunity to help our great President Trump make America great again!

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Respect from the rest of the world, eh? NK just bent Donny over and stuck it where the sun don’t shine with the whole world watching. Will be interesting to see how they spin this one...
 

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Respect from the rest of the world, eh? NK just bent Donny over and stuck it where the sun don’t shine with the whole world watching. Will be interesting to see how they spin this one...

Golly gee, it would sure be nifty if our President were as smart as you!

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So then, what you are saying is that it is incorrect?

If the rest of that article was factual then the economy would be in the toilet. Context matters... if that many jobs were “lost” due to trade agreements then how is unemployment 3.8% and how is the US economy #1 in the world?
 
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If the rest of that article was factual then the economy would be in the toilet. Context matters... if that many jobs were “lost” due to trade agreements then how is unemployment 3.8% and how is the US economy #1 in the world?
There you go again using that basic logic libby witchcraft
 
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