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J&L Snowhawk
02-19-2008, 03:36 PM
I want to get a thread started for hawk setup what is your elevation.

2007 800-136
8-10k elev.
modified air box
compensator
primary clutch 160-290 spring 415 ramps 13.5grams pin weight
secondary straight 44 helix with black spring
vapor gauge
acerbis handguards

2005 600HO
144 ZX2 with 2.25in ski-doo finger track & extroverte drivers
TRA II green/white spring 13.9 gram weights 228 ramps quick clickers
cat roller secondary 53/47 helix green spring
koso EGT
12 gal fuel tank
adjustable ski adaptor
Acerbis handguards
Vapor gauge Assy.
Hotdogger
Ready to ride weight minus fuel 440lbs

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/armychic00/snowhawk014.jpg

buffaloHAWK
02-19-2008, 09:01 PM
o2 503f
cr85 bars mini high bend( match my crf250x)
heated grips
cycra handguards
twin axis ski with woodys 10" snocross carbides and snowtracker(now on the outside of ski)
custom valved suspension by steve mathewson's suspension systems
studs
lots of stickers!
rest is stock,motor, clutch etc

06 jr60
cr85 bars like the rest of my toys
fancy grips and handguards
rev box thing,no rev limiter
custom made pipe from goped and kx65 silencer
unltimate backyard ripper!!!
i guess im at about sea level or maybe 2 feet higher

J&L Snowhawk
03-18-2008, 11:28 AM
will be made to the 800 clutch setup for next trip to cooke city. I will be going back to the 417 ramps and changing the primary spring to a bl/bl 130-290 so i can drop the clickers back down from six. I would like to try a team sec. has anyone done this?

TCSKIBIKE
03-18-2008, 01:46 PM
04 600 HO

Stock with V-force reeds, needle up one notch.

Power Madd handguards

J&L Snowhawk
03-18-2008, 05:35 PM
04 600 HO

Stock with V-force reeds, needle up one notch.

Power Madd handguards

did you change your clutch or jetting at all do you use the air box and what altitude you at?

cjgodden
03-18-2008, 09:28 PM
04 600ho
Attac
Pod filters
Simmons Gen II- with Simmons snow tracker
Acrebis bark buster hand guards
Modified polaris 136 track
Tiny Tach
Custom 530 o-ring chain drive ( screw the TLS )
Tra drive- 299 ramps 160-230 spring. 14 grams pin weight At 0 to 4000 feet
stock driven

snowhawkaddict
03-19-2008, 01:05 AM
With quick change big bore kits, 503, 600, and 800cc's! :eek:

TCSKIBIKE
03-19-2008, 02:23 PM
did you change your clutch or jetting at all do you use the air box and what altitude you at?

Clutch components are stock

I have air box pods

I ride from 700 ft to over 3300 ft.

Working on hydraulically dampened tri-axis ski mount.. Show you that later.

J&L Snowhawk
03-22-2008, 02:52 PM
Ive been running the arctic cat snow pro green spring on the softest hole with either a 47 or 56/44 helix and had good luck with both . On my 734 motor i run a yamaha clutch yxv pink pink pink sppring and 8ca wieghts i had it machined to fit the rotax , on my 600 i run the stock pucker clutch and never pulled the cover ! works so good it scares me to look . I used to run the red/white but the green seems to give faster back shifts with good side belt pressure , and ill have to look at the number but ive switched to a heavy wider kevlar cat belt which so far seems almost indestructable , still looks new even after 20 plus deep powder rides . Ive got a tra but i prefer the lighter clutchs like yamaha , stock or the polaris p80
Hawkdoggen info

J&L Snowhawk
09-12-2008, 09:41 PM
ttt

cjgodden
09-12-2008, 11:57 PM
I'm working on a drop and roll for the drive axel to improve approach angle, I am convinced that this will cure the trenching problem in the really deep stuff and be able to avoid going with a longer track. I think that with my chain drive it should be fairly easy and in combo with the lowering templetes from mich-snowhawk I think I can get the angle of attack way better.

RudeAwakening
09-13-2008, 02:04 PM
we should do a sticky thread with all the best upgrades along with pics!! i would love to see pics of everyones front ski setups

cj how is your chain drive holding up?

J&L Snowhawk
09-14-2008, 11:03 AM
Lets get it done, how do you do it?

RudeAwakening
09-14-2008, 03:26 PM
do we have an Admin in our section? if not, then someone needs the power

Ex-Member
09-14-2008, 03:57 PM
PM admin/bigdarrin, either can do it for you

RudeAwakening
09-14-2008, 05:38 PM
who is that! we need someone who uses the snowhawk forum to be an admin

Ex-Member
09-14-2008, 09:32 PM
They run SnoWest forums. Anything and everything.

RudeAwakening
09-15-2008, 06:38 AM
ic ic

eeberg
09-15-2008, 12:31 PM
Here is my current setup, but it is going to change a lot by the start of the season:

04 600HO
8-10K
pod filters
tiny tach commercial
cycra handguards
hand warmers
simmons gen II ski
stock 121 extended to 136
arctic cat roller secondary with straight 45 helix and red spring
custom gas rack

TCSKIBIKE
09-15-2008, 01:24 PM
Clutch components are stock

I have air box pods

I ride from 700 ft to over 3300 ft.

Working on hydraulically dampened tri-axis ski mount.. Show you that later.

I just took a look at the jets.. 350 main and 17.5 pilot. Looks to be stock for the carb but does not match with what AD recommends in the owners manual.

Says to use 400 main 15 pilot

Now Im confused.

J&L Snowhawk
09-28-2008, 08:15 PM
my new suspension pics
[QUOTE=J&L Snowhawk;296214]I want to get a thread started for hawk setup what is your elevation.

2007 800-144
8-10k elev.
modified air box
compensator
primary clutch 160-290 spring 415 ramps 13.5grams pin weight
secondary straight 44 helix with black spring
digitron tach
acerbis handguards

2005 600HO
144 ZX2 with 2.25in ski-doo finger track extroverte drivers 151 ZX2 suspension weight 55lbs 3lbs lighter than 136 expert x
tra II quick clickers 228 ramps green/white spring
Cat Roller secondary green spring 53/47 helix
Koso EGT
12 gal fuel tank
Vapor gauge assy
Hotdogger
steering post moved forward 2 inches
440 lbs weight without fuel

877snowhawk
09-28-2008, 08:32 PM
now thats a sweet hawk!!!

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr155/explorerkit/attachment.jpg

RudeAwakening
09-28-2008, 09:10 PM
thats sweet buddy!

RudeAwakening
09-28-2008, 09:18 PM
can you post 2 more pics of your handelbars want to see how you move them forward.

J&L Snowhawk
09-29-2008, 07:48 AM
all changed

IbBroken
09-29-2008, 03:56 PM
I have a 2005 600ho 136 with a Simmons ski ,attac, p85 primary clutch with a almond/blue spring and 56 gram weights, i also run the 530 chain drive instead of the "tls" I now have three seasons on it and have not had a problem. Stock driven clutch but going to install a arctic cat roller on this season.Also moved my bars forward two inches and up 4 inches

877snowhawk
09-29-2008, 07:11 PM
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr155/explorerkit/airbox1.jpg

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr155/explorerkit/airbox2.jpg

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr155/explorerkit/airbox3.jpg

TKswild1
09-29-2008, 07:13 PM
2006 600HO 136
Stock clutching as for now
installing attac kit
Custom HHgrafix.com
Snow tracker kit reversed. Out side.

Need to find out what that extra fuel tank Les installed on the Hawk. Very well done. I already hacked off the rear fender to install a fuel rack. But I think If Les can give me the skinny on where that tank came from. >>???

877snowhawk
09-29-2008, 07:25 PM
it came from adboivin,,,, he can get you one! 12 gal,,, they are sweet,,, 2 of my hawks have them

TKswild1
09-29-2008, 07:27 PM
I thought it was an additioin to his original tank. I suppose the cost of that is .. ahh alot.

RudeAwakening
09-30-2008, 01:56 PM
how much is a 12g tank

J&L Snowhawk
10-28-2008, 10:13 PM
ttt

cjgodden
10-28-2008, 10:55 PM
last year when i checked the 12 gallon tanks were $750 us. Thats why I cut out my tail light and made a bracket for a spare gas can.

buffaloHAWK
10-29-2008, 08:59 AM
is that suspension for a 121 off the 600 that everyone says is too stiff? i need it,how much shipped to 14075 ny? i just bought a track from someone else but i might take it all if the price is right....eric

TKswild1
10-29-2008, 02:52 PM
PM'd You.

about the susp. and track.


Tom

feartheride
11-19-2008, 02:29 PM
I just took a look at the jets.. 350 main and 17.5 pilot. Looks to be stock for the carb but does not match with what AD recommends in the owners manual.

Says to use 400 main 15 pilot

Now Im confused.

Did you find anything out about your jetting mine has the same as you 350 and 17.5

yamacat
11-20-2008, 12:01 AM
I want to get a thread started for hawk setup what is your elevation.

2007 800-144
8-10k elev.
modified air box
compensator
primary clutch 160-290 spring 415 ramps 13.5grams pin weight
secondary straight 44 helix with black spring
removed front coil spring on skid
digitron tach
acerbis handguards

2005 600HO
151 ZX2 with 2in challenger paddle Ported & extroverte drivers
TRA II green/white spring 13.9 gram weights 228 ramps quick clickers
cat roller secondary 53/47 helix green spring
atacc kit
12 gal fuel tank
simmons Gen II ski with pivot
Acerbis handguards
Vapor gauge Assy.
Hotdogger
Ready to ride weight minus fuel 440lbs

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/armychic00/snowhawk014.jpg

What is that blue suspension? What about the frame side? Thanks Bud.

snow hawk gal
11-20-2008, 12:09 AM
http://www.adboivin.com/zx2_suspension_home.aspx

Careful though!

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101379

:)

eeberg
12-09-2008, 11:07 AM
Here is my current setup, but it is going to change a lot by the start of the season:

04 600HO
8-10K
pod filters
tiny tach commercial
cycra handguards
hand warmers
simmons gen II ski
stock 121 extended to 136
arctic cat roller secondary with straight 45 helix and red spring
custom gas rack

So I made my changes and have taken it out a few times, here is the synopsis:

Originally started out as:
04 600HO
8-10K
pod filters
cycra handguards
hand warmers
stock ski
stock 121
stock clutches

Then was:
04 600HO
8-10K
pod filters
cycra handguards
hand warmers
tiny tach commercial
simmons gen II ski
121 extended to 136
stock primary
arctic cat roller secondary with straight 45 helix and red spring
custom gas rack

Now is:
went to 800HO motor
remapped MPEM
jaws exhaust with stinger restrictor removed (thanks to TLKDPROD's suggestion)
8-10K
pod filters
tiny tach commercial
twin EGT guages
cycra handguards
hand warmers
simmons gen II ski
ZX2 suspension
151 track
anti-ratchet drivers
P-85 primary
arctic cat roller secondary
4140 steel jackshaft
custom gas rack

roo
12-29-2008, 11:51 PM
I want to get a thread started for hawk setup what is your elevation.

2007 800-144
8-10k elev.
modified air box
compensator
primary clutch 160-290 spring 415 ramps 13.5grams pin weight
secondary straight 44 helix with black spring
removed front coil spring on skid
digitron tach
acerbis handguards

2005 600HO
151 ZX2 with 2in challenger paddle Ported & extroverte drivers
TRA II green/white spring 13.9 gram weights 228 ramps quick clickers
cat roller secondary 53/47 helix green spring
atacc kit
12 gal fuel tank
simmons Gen II ski with pivot
Acerbis handguards
Vapor gauge Assy.
Hotdogger
Ready to ride weight minus fuel 440lbs

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/armychic00/snowhawk014.jpg

how did u atatch flap to zx2?

J&L Snowhawk
12-30-2008, 08:22 AM
just kidding. I made a quick atach system Ineed to get some pics for ya all.
the ported track is kick a@@ as well

yamacat
12-30-2008, 10:46 AM
will be made to the 800 clutch setup for next trip to cooke city. I will be going back to the 417 ramps and changing the primary spring to a bl/bl 130-290 so i can drop the clickers back down from six. I would like to try a team sec. has anyone done this?

this is Bud I make a arctic cat driven to fit the 800 shaft, it works like silk adds a lot of performance ,and the belt doesnt get hot or disentegrate, one other advantage of mine the helixes cost 15.00 where the team helix costs 100.00 and are nearly impossible to change on the trail . needless to say that is why I have 50 helixes for ac clutch. On the 800 rev there is no comparison between the two clutches.

roo
12-30-2008, 11:58 PM
just kidding. I made a quick atach system Ineed to get some pics for ya all.
the ported track is kick a@@ as well

nothing for forks to hit to keep from foldin up? did I not get that part of the kit ?

J&L Snowhawk
11-08-2009, 09:49 AM
lets get this page updated

RudeAwakening
11-08-2009, 05:31 PM
hey bud. are you saying that the artic cat roller is better on an 800ho then a team tss-04? the helix cost diff is crazy!

J&L Snowhawk
11-29-2009, 05:44 PM
ttt

2006sigouin
11-30-2009, 07:54 AM
600 2006 with these mods

Team secondary tss 04 with flat 42 48 helix and red black spring
Jack shaft from sled2r
Tra 3 ultra light race clutch 286 ramp and 16 gram
Custom engine brace
800 radiator for better cooling
Retrofit swing arm from sled2r
45L gas tank with 5/8 aluminium support (Thanks Thierry)
Quick disconnect fuel line
Trail Tech Vapor
Front ski wheel kit
Pre filter on belly pan (clutch side)

Can't wait to try it :D

J&L Snowhawk
12-27-2009, 08:30 PM
Quoted from another post, "Harley, i installed anti ratchet drivers on my 121" track to be able to run it a little looser then recomended. I dont think it made that big of difference though. I also ceramic coated the header and pipe when i re-jeted and that seemed to help out as far as it flowing better and keeping the temp down. Im running 180/170 mains with 50 pilots with the airscrew out 1-1/2 turns and it will bring the front end up if i exit a corner fast. Looking forward to the rollor secondary to see how it hooks up. The stock clutch im using i have two pucks out of each location and have been running 2500'-4000' feet ( when we had snow ) I would like to know if anyone has installed a holtz attack compensator on a 503 and what thier base jetting was and where they put the sensor."

Later all
Todd

TKswild1
01-02-2010, 05:28 PM
From My experience and Your's Almost all these Mod's are manufactured through Hawker's or part's bought through our Dealer's. Thanks to everyone.


My "MODS"

06' 600 HO outlaw

Vapor gauge --Les J&L Hawk Dealer S.D
Rox Riser's --Jason & Duyane Lamoine Hawk Dealer MI
Ported Track --myself
Custom Paint --HHGrafix.com Forest lake MN
Chain Drive Conversion --CJGodden AL
Steel Shaft --Sledr2 Utah
AC Roller ---Bud. Not sure of location.
Attack system --Les J&L
136 Conversion --Les J&L

J&L Snowhawk
01-03-2010, 10:29 AM
My setup is for 7-10k and for around zero to 25 degrees F
1-2005
2-600HO
3-144 skidoo finger track ported
4-ZX2 skid with soft spring kit no spacers ice scratchers installed
5-wahl bros extroverte drivers
6-chain drive kit 14-30gears
7-clutch drive TRA 2 8.5g pins 130-290spring 228 ramps
8- clutch driven cat roller 45degree and green spring soft setting
9-jaws exhaust all stock
10-jetting 310-320 running 1200 degree exhaust temp
11- prox pod filters
12-instramentation vapor and koso EGT
14-Acerbis rally 2 hand guards
15- heated grips
16-hot dogger for when I get the munchies
17-custom grafix that add 10hp cause i need it

TLKDPROD
01-03-2010, 12:43 PM
Les, what modification have you done to your airbox ?

What gear ratio did you get ? 13-28 I hope !

Just a suggestion on the clutching but a stiffer secondary spring would allow the secondary to backshift quicker and maintain a more stable RPM (especially useful if you ride between 7-10K). If you go softer on the spring and still want a stable RPM you have to lower your helix angle which might translates in less acceleration/overall potential. If you've got time try either the Cat Yellow or Red/White spring with a Straight 44. If a 136" 503 rocks with a straight 45, your 600 144" should pull a straight 44 nooo prob.

Did you take the inner sleeve off the stigner in the Jaws Pipe ? If you did, put it back you can't build enough pressure in the pipe at these elevations. Might want to try putting a more restrictive sleeve like 37-38mm ID then adjust your jetting... Thinking of testing it on the new Gen 2 Jaws Pipe that I got that's just ridiculously huge. Of course it's been designed/slightly tested for sea level elevation, Quebec/Ontario -20C temperatures... Quite a different thing when you ride at 7K at -7C (and you have 87-94 horses instead of 120...).

J&L Snowhawk
01-16-2010, 09:38 AM
Dialed In

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I am running 180 on my (PTO) side and 170 on the (MAG)side
As far as Elevation I was doing my tests at 3500 to 4000


I finally had time to spend the day doing nothing but clutching.
So here goes: This is for the 503f.
Artic Cat secondary, 45 degree helix with the Artic Cat Red spring/white stripe.
Primary, P-85, with a Thunder shift kit, running a polaris dark blue spring with white stripe (tension on this spring is 120/310)

If you read this above on this tread you will know what all has gone on.

I have to say the below is the ticket if you have a 503f and are looking for a performance mod. Clutching on the 503f is the main perfomance mod and oh you can get so much when you do this.

I have had the primary apart 6 times today, going for a run, coming back to the trailer, tweaking the weights on each arm, putting it back together and then going for a run again.

The final end result is as follows.

Clutch engagment RPM: 3750

Top End RPM: 7230

Weight Hole #1 = 3.5g
Weight Hole #2 = 3.9g
Weight Hole #3 = 5.2g

Weight of Arm = 37.6g
Total Weight (Arm and Weights in each hole) = 50.10g

I experimented across the board and this is by far my best combination. I was very consistent in each run. Same hills steep spots and straightways.

It's all about getting the right weight placement on each arm that is for sure. Just a .5g weight movment from hole #2 to hole #3 makes a huge difference.

I know those that follow thru and do the above will love it.
I spent basically 2 months trying different combinations.
If you are not running an Artic Cat Secondary, don't bother going to a P-85. Go with the Artic Cat secondary as your first step, this will offer you the biggest gains up front, then if you so decide go with the P-85 and the thundershift kit. I do not reccomend the P-85 with out the Thundershift kit, you can do so much with the kit and the gains it offers are so worth it.

Harley

J&L Snowhawk
11-17-2011, 08:12 PM
clutch and jetting info not the most up to date stuff im sure

J&L Snowhawk
12-21-2014, 03:50 PM
good stuff here