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Old 12-03-2009, 01:02 AM
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MESSAGE TO ALL: DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT THIS OIL IS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. YOU'LL LEARN THAT FULLY SYNTHETIC OIL IS A BAAADDDD THING FOR TWO STROKES CAUSE THE SYNTHETIC MOLECULE DOES NOT BURN? WELL WE NEED OUR OIL TO COMBUST RIGHT? THIS LEADS TO BLOW BY AND POWERLOSS. I'LL BE GIVING A LOT MORE INFO ON THIS SOON.
PLEASE LOOK AT THIS GUYS IT IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING I HAVE EVER LEARNED ABOUT SNOWMOBILING! THE OWNER MARK TALKED TO ME FOR 2 HOURS ON THE PHONE, HE IS AN AEROSPACE ENGINEEER AND HAS TAKING HIM 22 YEARS TO MAKE THIS STUFF.

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I'd like to read all the info . I'll be running this stuff in my TM8 and want to learn more about it.

is anyone using it on a turbo M?
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whats the price app. and can a guy order online?
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Hey Bushy...........you using this oil?? Thought I caught wind last year you may have checked it out. Any input??
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i get it straight from mark the owner, i buy cases (4 gal) for 140 per case and 25 for shipping. I am becoming a dealer next month on the first and to do so i had to buy 25 cases worth. so if anybody wants any (you should) pm me and i will ship it. otherwise please pm me and i will give you marks number and if you metion my name he will do two cases and ship them both for 30. cheaper than apv i think. maybe a couple bucks more
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"chemically infused, Specially formulated, nano-molecular additive technology, “balanced” hybrid racing, Clean Burn Technology, ultimate protection, ashless polymeric formulation."

IM SOLD!!!!

And "Dramatically improves idle quality and throttle response"

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Ok elvis we all have watched the video now whats your sales pitch.
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OK GUYS, HERE IT IS. LIKE SAID BY SOMEONE BEFORE: "chemically infused, Specially formulated, nano-molecular additive technology, “balanced” hybrid racing, Clean Burn Technology, ultimate protection, ashless polymeric formulation." anyway back to the story. i got my 10' and was told to use only apv? if someone tells me to use only this product, i check it out. 11 hours of internet and phone calls brought me to this product. Eric woog in kremling, chris burandt and chris brown were the ones that turned me on the this product. Eric did a year long test w/ this, apv & blue marble. when chris burant was training for 07 wnter x the m series had a problem w/ hard landings knocking the oil pump arm off? so w/ the three oils metioned above; riding untill detonation: apv 40miles, blue marble 77miles and zx2sr 330 miles. this is w/ no oil in the damn sled? 330 miles? so i was still not convinced. bougtht some from kremling and boys, it doesnt smoke post warmup. NO SMOKE AT ALL, 0%. NONE, ZERO. THE reason this matters is because the oil is 100% combusting like it should. i pulled the y pipe off after 80 miles bone dry. buddy has 500 miles since last year, y pipe bone dry. see if any of your sleds y pipes are bone dry w/ apv. there will be a puddle of un burnt oil in there. I am digging up more give me a minute

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I just bought a 2008 M1000 with 540 miles on it, and decided to clean the power valves. I got them out and could not believe the amount of oil gunk and carbon build up on them. I really wished I would of took some pictures of them. I am thinking of giving this oil a try. I also noticed you can buy online at http://www.snowmobileguys.com/snowshop/
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I just bought a 2008 M1000 with 540 miles on it, and decided to clean the power valves. I got them out and could not believe the amount of oil gunk and carbon build up on them. I really wished I would of took some pictures of them. I am thinking of giving this oil a try. I also noticed you can buy online at http://www.snowmobileguys.com/snowshop/
he has a dealer site on the legend home. the best part jeva is that it will burn the bad oil out and re seal the rings if you have any blow by. it doesnt usually start till about 1500 miles so you can catch it if you switch.

go half way down and read the part from vohk
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?p=967158
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?p=935237

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But how are you supposed to lubricate your muffler bearings if you burn all the oil in the motor?
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Legend has been around for some time now, but is just starting to get some name recognition. People complain that the price is too high?? compare it to the oil that your dealer tells you to use in your new sled. Most of the time you will find that the Legend is actually cheaper per gallon than the ski-doo, Poo-poo or A/c "name brand" synthetics. Especially if you buy it in bulk.
I have been using the zx2sr in both my ski-doo and A/C mods for 2 seasons (this will be the third), and I love it. I take my sleds apart every summer and the valves look clean, the pipe is dry and the black **** that usually covers everything is barely there. The smell is clean (not that I don't love 2 stroke smoke), after warm up there is NO smoke and it burns completely and clean. I buy 2, 5 gl buckets from Mark every year and compared to the name brand synthetics...it's cheaper. It's a no brainer, but don't take my word for it. Call Mark direct and ask him for the testimonial from the A/C, x-games crew chief. As previously stated...the motor ran six times as long WITH NO OIL IN IT. and still had cleaner valves.
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WIsh i would have seen this earlier Just ordered 60 gallons of Intereceptor. I might buy 4 gallons and try it myself then i could get all my friends to switch. that price is a little more expensive than amsoil at my dealer cost but if it works that good worth a try
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Ok............I'm sold..........just bought a case :-)
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it smells pretty good to dont be suprised when your riding buddies say they thought they just got passed by a washing machine
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So what one should I order?

Zx-2 or ZX-2R or ZX-2SR
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I guess I look a little deeper into oil than just a good sales pitch. Unless I missed it, I don't see one technical data sheet on this oil on the website. I base important decisions like oil use in my vehicles and toys on facts and scientific data. Don't sell it to me in a sales pitch in a info-mercial, sell it to me with exceeding industry standards with proof of that in writing by testing. Are the tech data sheets posted? If not, why?

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JASO FC is a high rating, what else are you looking for, or just MSDS. Vohk is very respected in this sport and this oil is highly recommended by him. just send him a PM for more info, I believe he has lots of data on it aswell.
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Some Good info that has been floating around:


ISO-L-EGC which is similar to the JASO FC rating.

The ISO-L-EGD+ was created to establish a higher standard of detergency and ability to withstand higher levels of heat. The new test runs for 3 hours vs 1 hour for the previous test.
If a lubricant is certified ISO-L-EGD+ it has passed the most stringent tests set by American, Japanese and European engine manufacturers. Polaris recommends TC-W3 lubricants, Yamaha JASO FC and Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo requires ISO-L-EDG+ lubricants.
None of the three North American snowmobile manufacturers specify use of TC-W3 oil in their owner’s manuals. Bombardier pointedly tells its customers not to use it, recommending API-TC rated oil instead.

Until recently, the top JASO oil rating was FC, and you will continue to see this listed in many places. But the tougher FD rating is now available, and some companies upgraded their products. The JASO-FC standard is also important because it includes a test to specifically measure exhaust smoke. So JASO-FC and the subsequent FD test is the key for visible exhaust emissions.

ISO-L-EGD is the top European two-stroke standard, with EGC and EGB as lower performance levels. A plus sign after the letters (EGD+) means that the rating is significantly exceeded.

Use the oil ratings as a guide, compare costs and availability, and try to stay with one product if possible. Availability becomes a factor for many of us; if you can’t carry enough with you, run something that you can find readily where you ride to fill the gaps.

Plain old TCW-3 won’t cut it in many of the higher-tech engines. Look for JASO-FC (and now FD) and ISO EGD ratings as indicators of a minimum performance standard for the newest, trickest engines. Mod packages may require extra quality and or quantity to provide adequate lubrication; consult with the engine builder or package supplier on what their experience has been.

ISO EGD is the “European” specification that slightly exceeds the “Japanese” JASO-FC. There is a new JASO-FD spec, as the ISO and JASO testing sequences have come closer together with the latest ‘FD’ and ‘EGD’ designations. Previously, the only difference was a 1 hour and 3 hour detergency - lubricity - ring groove - sticking test with JASO-FC and ISO-EGD respectively. Now, they are the same set of tests.




Maxima TundraR, a synthetic blend that is pretty clean burning, ISO EGD

Amsoil Interceptor This fully-synthetic oil is JASO-FC rated (Robert said is good)

Klotz Snowmobile Techniplateit it too is ISO EGD rated

Spectro that is also ISO EGD rated

Blue Marble claims to be ISO EGD rated

ARCTIC BLUE™ Synthetic Blend is qualified internationally: Exceeds API TC or TSC-3 in North America. Exceeds Japanese Automobile Standard Organization new JASO
specification "FC". Meets or exceeds performance requirements of International Standards Organization new ISO Global Specifications "GC" (ISO-L-EGC) and "GD"
(ISO-L-EGD).

Torco Exceeds JASO-FC / ISO-L-EGD / API-TC

Shell Advance Snow Ultra High Performance Synthetic Snowmobile Oil ISO-EGD and the JASO FC standard.

Maxima Lubricants Super-M Injector Oil Exceeds BIA/TC-W, JASO-FC, ISO-E-GD & API-TC specifications

Legend ZX-2R exceeds NMMA (formerly BIA) TCW3, ISO-L-EGB and JASO FB specifications. ZX-2R is a mineral based, synthetically infused blend of superior chemical components designed to outperform the most expensive synthetics.

Legend ZX-2SR exceeds API TC, ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC+ specifications. ZX-2SR is a blend of the finest mineral base stocks “chemically infused” with nano-molecular additive technology.

Royal Purple-TCW-III (Robert said is good)

Citgo SuperGard Sea and Snow. Citgo is Venezuela’s oil company run by Hugo Chavez. The synthetic blend formula meets or exceeds the rigorous requirements of the API TC, JASO FC and ISO EGD classifications for 2-cycle air-cooled engine oils and also exceeds the performance requirements for JASO FA, JASO FB, ISO-L-EGB, and ISO-L-EGC. The JASO FC Certification Number is 001 CGO 535. SUPERGARD Sea and Snow is formulated primarily for use in snowmobiles and personal watercraft. It can be used in motorcycles, generators, lawnmowers, and hand held power equipment such as leaf blowers, trimmers, and chainsaws.
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