If you can afford to purchase a $5 k turbo kit why on gods green earth would you not run at least 50% race fuel? Fuel is cheap compared to a blown motor. Let's assume a good rebuild cost 1500. Race fuel runs 5 per gallon more than 92. 1500/5 equals 300 gallons. Lets assume your sled gets 5 mpg. Your break even on a top end/ motor rebuild is 3000 miles. At a 50/50 blend. Its more than that if your motor takes out your turbo and or other equipment. I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. I just don't understand why people are afraid to run race gas. If you have a turbo, don't be afraid to run it. If you need race gas, give me a call.
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I agree i run 100% av gas as far as throttle response goes a properly setup turbo setup has throttle response better then a stock sled.
Where are buying AV for 3.50 I'll take a tanker full .
Here in Canada race gas C-12 cost $20/gallon :noidea:
Here in ak av is 5.50, 110 around $14.
It's not so much the cost of race gas as much as it's the convienence of pump gas. We have one in our group who runs race gas, and it sucks going on a longer trip, stuffing the trailer with sleds, ridin and camping gear, then Trying to figure out where to put his drum of fuel.
It's not so much the cost of race gas as much as it's the convienence of pump gas. We have one in our group who runs race gas, and it sucks going on a longer trip, stuffing the trailer with sleds, ridin and camping gear, then Trying to figure out where to put his drum of fuel.
Thats why i have this, 39 feet
We don't run 50/50, because it's not anywhere close to what is needed for us. Riding at 9,000 feet or higher and running 8lbs, 20% race is plenty of octane for our kits.
Run as little as you can safely.
It is impressive how much better they run out of the hole. that being said, if your always bouncing off the det sensor, you need to evaluate your fueling. But assuming your fueling/tuning is on point, over octane is nothing more then a waste of money and performance.
I know i have set a few on straight 91 on lower boost. being able to roll up to the pump and top off without worrying about chasing down gas is a HUGE factor for many. and I have seen plenty of turbos running straight pump in the 6-9k foot range that will flat stomp any NA sleds. so yeah, higher intital investment, but just a LOT more power to be had still on the pump gas program.
i ride my sled 2-4 rides a week, many times at the drop of a hat, and having to worry about having race gas is not something im willing to deal with.
It is impressive how much better they run out of the hole. that being said, if your always bouncing off the det sensor, you need to evaluate your fueling. But assuming your fueling/tuning is on point, over octane is nothing more then a waste of money and performance.
I know i have set a few on straight 91 on lower boost. being able to roll up to the pump and top off without worrying about chasing down gas is a HUGE factor for many. and I have seen plenty of turbos running straight pump in the 6-9k foot range that will flat stomp any NA sleds. so yeah, higher intital investment, but just a LOT more power to be had still on the pump gas program.
i ride my sled 2-4 rides a week, many times at the drop of a hat, and having to worry about having race gas is not something im willing to deal with.
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Buffalo Wy. Its been as high as $4.90 but was $3.50 around christmas this year when we filled up our barrels...
Its about 8 bucks a gallon for 110 here. Its significantly less if you buy 250 gallons at a time.I guess my point was that I'm willing to give up a little bit of performance to have my motor hold up. Im not willing to put my motor at risk cause the gas at any given station was not fresh. We use 110 so we can blend it with 92 where we ride. That way we can get the same octane as av but haul half as many barrels.
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Race gas does not kill throttle response. Too much race gas does kill throttle response. AV gas is the best fuel as far as consistency and shelf life. Sonoco
only has a 1 year shelf life in a sealed drum. VP two years. AV seven years.
The same applies to AV as Race, too much octane slow throttle response.
If you can buy AV use it. FYI mixing either one with ETH fuel sucks.
Race gas does not kill throttle response. Too much race gas does kill throttle response. AV gas is the best fuel as far as consistency and shelf life. Sonoco
only has a 1 year shelf life in a sealed drum. VP two years. AV seven years.
The same applies to AV as Race, too much octane slow throttle response.
If you can buy AV use it. FYI mixing either one with ETH fuel sucks.
Yes! I'm over 9k too (more like 10K). I ran about 70% av fuel because I had it and was working on some other issues. Rode on a very warm day and the sled ran terrible. I had a TPS issue too but I agree that you only run what you need. Since I haven't seen the DET light yet, I'll drop down to about 20-30%.
i run 7 lbs of boost and run 1 gallon of av per tank usually. I only do this for the risk of getting some bad 91. if I know im getting some good non ethanol fuel from my local co op I wouldn't even bother putting any av in. 1800 boosted miles this way and 2700 total on my 13. no issues.
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I'm just repeating what has been said already, but I am running a ported 800 at 10.5-11lbs of boost and only run 30% mix of 110 with premium. Too much race fuel and you lose bottom end performance.....surprises me how often people screw this up and think they need straight race.....or even 50/50. Its best to ask your builder what they recommend for your mix/blend.
What elevation?
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If you are trying to make power it is a fact of physics that you get more power out of lower octane fuel. I'm not saying don't run high octane if your tune up requires it but as a talking point lower makes power.
The guy with the toasted 2014 pro in the post just above this one should have read this post. Part of the reason I put in good fuel is in case I go lower in elevation than I planned to. I'd rather be safe than sorry. I think everyone will agree too much octane is better than not enough. The owner of that 14 pro turbo just learned that lesson the hard way. The good news is that you should only need to learn it once!!
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