SHR860 vs RK860

[Frenchie]

Well I was fortunate enough to ride in Revy this weekend, talk about snow there was 6-7ft at Frisby on Friday!
Broke in my SHR860 and gotta say I'm very disappointed, I shoulda paid extra for that Dyno sheet I knew it!
There were two PGTM8 in our group and one of them I could not highmark. One rider was bigger at 210lbs and the other 180lbs, both had 162" Powderclaws (I run the 156" extreme and weigh 170).
Highmarks were fairly close, the lighter guy marked approx 5-10 ft above me. That was on a 45-50 deg straight 300ft climb, 2-3ft deep fresh stuff and no poaching.
All I gotta say is this motor just screams. Bolted this on with BJ's specs and ripped it up everything near spot on.
Even with the damn air filter submerged on the pow all day it still screamed I just don't get it
Anyway that's just my opinion who is going to believe a french monkey anyway

Thanks BJ!!!

PS Here are pics to give an idea of the snow conditions this weekend, it was deep!

[BIG JOHN]

Originally Posted by TurboJamie

Think about this the head setup on a stock XP and the bowl design.

Now look at what the big bore heads are like and what they are doing. IMO the heads are not as efficient hence the need to jet down or run high compression.

The reason they get away with less jet and more compression is less efficiency and heat in the engine.

DaveB is right..this post is a keeper....OT couldnt even say something this stupid...the WFO track stand tuning post is close though-LOL...

How does that saying go...its better keeping your mouth shut and we will assume your stupid VS opening it and verifying how stupid you really are...

move on little boy...move on...your bothering the adults...BJ

BTW- hey frenchie ...did ya show the PGTM8 your dyno sheet when you high marked him??

[Summit670]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

Well I was fortunate enough to ride in Revy this weekend, talk about snow there was 6-7ft at Frisby on Friday!
Broke in my SHR860 and gotta say I'm very disappointed, I shoulda paid extra for that Dyno sheet I knew it!
There were two PGTM8 in our group and one of them I could not highmark. One rider was bigger at 210lbs and the other 180lbs, both had 162" Powderclaws (I run the 156" extreme and weigh 170).
Highmarks were fairly close, the lighter guy marked approx 5-10 ft above me. That was on a 45-50 deg straight 300ft climb, 2-3ft deep fresh stuff and no poaching.
All I gotta say is this motor just screams. Bolted this on with BJ's specs and ripped it up everything near spot on.
Even with the damn air filter submerged on the pow all day it still screamed I just don't get it
Anyway that's just my opinion who is going to believe a french monkey anyway

Thanks BJ!!!

PS Here are pics to give an idea of the snow conditions this weekend, it was deep!

Great comment BJ, I was gonna say - none of that counts without a dyno sheet!!!

[frog]

Originally Posted by TurboJamie

Think about this the head setup on a stock XP and the bowl design.

Now look at what the big bore heads are like and what they are doing. IMO the heads are not as efficient hence the need to jet down or run high compression.

The reason they get away with less jet and more compression is less efficiency and heat in the engine.

Wow, that is a lifetime of stupidity in one post. Man you want to talk about efficiancy, I am impressed.

[TT670]

Originally Posted by BIG JOHN

DaveB is right..this post is a keeper....OT couldnt even say something this stupid...the WFO track stand tuning post is close though-LOL...

How does that saying...its better keeping your mouth shut and we will assume your stupid VS opening it and verifying how stupid you really are...

move on little boy...move on...your bothering the adults...BJ

BTW- hey frenchie ...did ya show the PGTM8 your dyno sheet when you high marked him??

Aww come on dont rag on the poor guy, he just slept through the class in high school that covered Bernoulli's Principle. He really doesnt know his comments dont make sense.

[BIG JOHN]

Originally Posted by TT670

Aww come on dont rag on the poor guy, he just slept through the class in high school that covered Bernoulli's Principle. He really doesnt know his comments dont make sense.

Holy sheet Eric...facts like that HAVE NO PLACE here on the innerconfuser...LOL-BJ

[Chazmanian]

Originally Posted by TurboJamie

I'm saving him from wasting his money. Wish these threads existed when I was looking at half the crap I bought.

Dang it Turbine-James....Even from a new guys perspective you are looking all done in not only this thread buty probably your credibilty across the entire forum.

May be time to slip out under cover of darkness and come back later with a new user name.

Man...The gigs kinda up Bro.

[Norway]

Originally Posted by TurboJamie

Again no dyno runs. How can you verify / justify the Y pipe makes X amount of HP or that reeds make X amount of Hp from your ***? Gimmie a break are you verifying anything.

A dyno is a tool if your sled starts at 100 hp and you make changes and it shows on the dyno you can VERIFY testing. How can you state that these reeds make this power and these reeds don't? You seem to be cheerleading boyesen where is the proff you even ran them against a set of V force?

Still haven't answered the question why the RKT makes more HP is his motor a better design, has he changed something since you copied him in the first place and your playing catch up? What is it?

Lets see your runs, as for his shop size if the man cannot afford a dyno to verify and do testing on what combinations work then he should not be in business. We don't race a dyno but we do use them to verify and prove our findings. Or I guess maybe we should all just take the manufacturers word for it and beleive whatever is sold to us.

Man... you are so full of it, I dont know where to start!

Your Q has been answered, your just not listening. Either you know SO little about dyno testing that you just dont undrstand anything people are telling you here, or you're just plain set stirring the pot. I believe the last.

Claiming the SHR860 is a gimmick when reading all this TOP NOTCH feedback on BJ is just plain stupid. I mean, can you not see how incredibly bad you make yourself look?????

I've talked to John many times, even met the guy (no biggy maybe, but I live in Norway so..) and when you spend a couple days around him you see how much he helps people. Quality work, TRA/Doo clutching setups just pouring out and what not (oh, and that was in -03 when he "knew nothing").

Dynos are cool and a worthy tool for those who know how to use them (yes, sure, many do), but who in their right mind would uphold dyno sheets over real world feedback????? Would you? Really?
It dont matter how much the 60cc help, how many % the head does vs. the porting. These kits just plain work!!

If he sets the highmark/wins races etc. and even God cannot understand why, SO WHAT!! IT - STILL - WORKS!


BJ: close the shop, just close it! No dyno = not worthy. No matter the results and happy customers... Can you believe this guy?

How are the boys doing? They gotta be like 7 and 14-15 now? More?

Rune

[Norway]

Originally Posted by nuggetau

We all want a quantitative way to compare performance, a dyno and HP/TQ numbers are all we really have(which can still be manipulated to suit the tester). Testimonials can give some indication of reliability/customer service(over a long period of time), but are far less reliable to determine REAL performance. Just because the motor "seems" strong doesn't really mean much in most situations as most people are comparing to what is a very limited sample, based on their limited experience with high performance motors and their limited competition. Just because the kit you put in works better than your stock sled and you were able to beat a couple other guys you rode with is not really valid data (the sample is simply too small), because you weren't riding against all the other competitors on identical sleds in identical conditions.

The testimonial usually reads something like this, " I put in XYZ kit and it is so much better than stock, I raced a guy with XYZ and beat him badly". Rarely do we get to hear about the clutching,jetting,exhaust,rider weight, rider skill, etc of this so called rider/sled that you put to shame. Could be that sled with XYZ kit just wasn't set up to perform it's best. I view EVERY "I beat this sled" story as nothing but empty braggadocio. Without knowing all the details about each sled the fact that one motor beat another on that particular day is absolutely USELESS INFORMATION!

Without a real world comparison with the exact same sled, same rider and in the same conditions all this " my kit is special" is nothing but advertising hyperbole. Truth is most people seem to buy a kit in hopes of besting the small group of people they encounter while riding (want to be a big fish in a small pond), and most will get that with most kits, which is why most are happy with what they bought.

If you want to buy the best performance that is out there, well..., the waters become pretty murky as the real world comparisons absent the variables simply don't exist. I don't race others and don't fight for the highmark, so it's not about beating someone else for me, it's about that adrenaline rush I get from a really strong motor that makes it more fun for me, that's why I started this thread I simply wanted the most bang for my buck (to impress me, not anyone else, which is what all this incessant dick measuring is about both on the mountain and here on the Internet).

Kinda wented now so you'll get of easy. I have had my engine dynoed, witnessed it myself. Very fun and I liked the result. Was even useful for me as the pipes we used were kind of an X-factor. Peak hp proved to be 500-700rpm higher than we thought. But it pretty much ends there.

The 220Hp we found with the dyno will do me nothing good on the hill. If I run even with my buddy pulling 9700 rpm and beat him slightly running 9400rpm then fact is fact! Dont matter if the theory says it should be otherwise.

Never mind all of us other clowns here, we dont matter, but listen to yourself!
If the word is out BJ's kit beats up/highmarks a BMP 880 (hey! just an example!) machine with advertised 180Hp, would you buy the BMP kit????
For 9 extra paper-ponys???

Peace

[BIG JOHN]

Rune- thanks for the comps...Derek is 12 going on 18 and Corey is 7 going on 12-LOL...all is good...how about?? your new family?? -BJ

[byeatts]

Originally Posted by BIG JOHN

Holy sheet Eric...facts like that HAVE NO PLACE here on the innerconfuser...LOL-BJ

BJ Dont intimidate these guys and make them go away. Its my entertainment! I hope QT sticks around