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This just in......A car load of Americans were caught trying to sneak into Mexico to flee the poor job market and falling economy. More at 11.
Polaris Engines Made in Mexico
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I too, am sad to see Poo head to Mexico and don't agree with outsourcing. But, I couldn't help but chuckle while reading this and looking at your ID..."Cumminszhere"....I may be assuming a little here, but my guess is you drive a Dodge Cummins. Have you ever taken one of those Cummins motors apart? I think every country in the world is stamped somewhere inside that engine. Not to mention the Dodge part of it.....
I work for for a John Deere dealer, and a few years ago Deeere closed it's engine plant in Dubuqe, Ia. Now JD engines are made in Torreon, Mexico or Saran, France. We are seeing tractors assembled in the states with Dana front axles assembled in China, tractors made in India and Mexico, filters from Israel, bearings from Slovakia, etc. Deere has made tractors for the American market at the Mannheim, Germany factory for years.
It used to be Deere built their own parts, had designers design and supply parts in house to fit a particular application. Now they outsource it so much that trying to get technical info from the assembly line engineers is harder because they always have to rely on info provided from the supplier, which is often incorrect or unavailable.
Welcome to business in the global marketplace!
It used to be Deere built their own parts, had designers design and supply parts in house to fit a particular application. Now they outsource it so much that trying to get technical info from the assembly line engineers is harder because they always have to rely on info provided from the supplier, which is often incorrect or unavailable.
Welcome to business in the global marketplace!
Press Uno for Espanol,,press DOS for Englais....LMFAO
They blame us for their drug war...our guns
They boycott AZ for a law WEAKER than the FEDERAL one on the books
Japan builds here 'cause it's cheaper
Where do you test sleds in Mexico?
Seems like a half @ssed Idea that won't affect much
U.S. supports Mexico already so......whats your point?
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"I too, am sad to see Poo head to Mexico and don't agree with outsourcing. But, I couldn't help but chuckle while reading this and looking at your ID..."Cumminszhere"....I may be assuming a little here, but my guess is you drive a Dodge Cummins. Have you ever taken one of those Cummins motors apart? I think every country in the world is stamped somewhere inside that engine. Not to mention the Dodge part of it….."
Snodawg,
My eyes are wide open. I know Cummins has some blocks cast in Brazil, etc.
If you are in search of hypocrisy, your search continues.
Snodawg,
My eyes are wide open. I know Cummins has some blocks cast in Brazil, etc.
If you are in search of hypocrisy, your search continues.
The US-domestic content of any of our vehicles in this country is definitely low.
Weather that is a John Deere tractor, a GMC/Dodge/Ford/Toyota truck, a motorcycle, a snowmobile, Riding lawnmower, Golf cart, UTV, PWC, boat etc... You would be hard pressed to find ANY vehicle company that sells/operates in the USA that does not have some mfg facilities on foreign soil.
I wonder which sled made has the most domestic content in it?
If you are Pro-USA (like me) ...and that is what drives your purchase decisions, then shouldn't you purchase the one that has the highest US-domestic content?
Is/Was the Osceola plant that is the topic of this discussion a Union plant?
If so, which Unions are represented in this shop?
Also curious to find out , with more than just speculation, if ANY portion of the content of the snowmobiles offered from Polaris is going to come from this new plant in Mexico.
I do not see any mention of sled components being manufactured in Mexico.... Just UTV/ATV.
Polaris is saying that all snowmobile assembly will remain in Roseau and that any snowmobile related operations will be moved to Roseau.
Does anyone have any solid information that counters this info?
(Please cite your source so that we can all be better informed)
I'm VERY interested in finding out the facts here.
Weather that is a John Deere tractor, a GMC/Dodge/Ford/Toyota truck, a motorcycle, a snowmobile, Riding lawnmower, Golf cart, UTV, PWC, boat etc... You would be hard pressed to find ANY vehicle company that sells/operates in the USA that does not have some mfg facilities on foreign soil.
I wonder which sled made has the most domestic content in it?
If you are Pro-USA (like me) ...and that is what drives your purchase decisions, then shouldn't you purchase the one that has the highest US-domestic content?
Is/Was the Osceola plant that is the topic of this discussion a Union plant?
If so, which Unions are represented in this shop?
Also curious to find out , with more than just speculation, if ANY portion of the content of the snowmobiles offered from Polaris is going to come from this new plant in Mexico.
I do not see any mention of sled components being manufactured in Mexico.... Just UTV/ATV.
Polaris is saying that all snowmobile assembly will remain in Roseau and that any snowmobile related operations will be moved to Roseau.
Does anyone have any solid information that counters this info?
(Please cite your source so that we can all be better informed)
I'm VERY interested in finding out the facts here.
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Polaris
So far as I can find, you are correct as to the move being related to "non-snowmobile" manufacturing. The questionable areas would be whatever "component" manufacturing/assembly there was taking place. However, I would suspect that it wouldn't make any sense to move sled parts there because you would probably have to ship the parts BOTH DIRECTIONS for all the manufacturing process to take place. The plant in Osceola was "non-union", so it isn't that sort of issue. If it was, it probably would have been gone long ago.
As far as the "US content", I'm not naive enough to think that ANYTHING I buy will be fully US content. That isn't even possible anymore. Best we can hope for is "assembled in the USA". Frankly, I took some measure of pride in riding "toys" that were assembled here in the midwest - better yet some of those components originated in my own state. Once the plant winds down, neither one will be the case for Polaris ATV's. So for me, they've taken a big step backward and put themselves on equal footing with the rest of the mfrs. out there. I've never owned a motorized vehicle of any kind that was assembled outside the US....
So far as I can find, you are correct as to the move being related to "non-snowmobile" manufacturing. The questionable areas would be whatever "component" manufacturing/assembly there was taking place. However, I would suspect that it wouldn't make any sense to move sled parts there because you would probably have to ship the parts BOTH DIRECTIONS for all the manufacturing process to take place. The plant in Osceola was "non-union", so it isn't that sort of issue. If it was, it probably would have been gone long ago.
As far as the "US content", I'm not naive enough to think that ANYTHING I buy will be fully US content. That isn't even possible anymore. Best we can hope for is "assembled in the USA". Frankly, I took some measure of pride in riding "toys" that were assembled here in the midwest - better yet some of those components originated in my own state. Once the plant winds down, neither one will be the case for Polaris ATV's. So for me, they've taken a big step backward and put themselves on equal footing with the rest of the mfrs. out there. I've never owned a motorized vehicle of any kind that was assembled outside the US....
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So guys, what would happen if Canada and MExico decide not to buy any products made in USA? Canadians only buy Canadian product (no oil from Canada or Mexico exported to USA either, sorry, none-gonna have to get cozy with Mr Chavez because otherwise you will not be able to afford to drive anything with a motor) and Americans can only buy products produced within their own country. That will work great, and you all will have your manual labour assembly jobs and everything can go back to how it was for your parent's generation. Mr Lou Dobbs would love it.
Dave is joking but is right on. Were I President the iron works would reopen the epa would go away the irs would fall to the fair tax and made in America would reamerge but all the extra taxs would not be there to hinder global sales, plus thefed gov would srink buy 2 thirds, plus senators and reps would have to live by the laws they make, but that's just me oh ya a person could sit on only one corporate board at a time.
Looks like the Polaris Snowmobiles will still be made in Good Ole USA Made!!
Moving the sled related parts and engine production from Osceola Wi, to Roseau Mn.
I guess I'll be sticking with the company that has the highest US-domestic content in their sleds.
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I don't think Im missing the facts. The Liberty snowmobile engine is made in
Oseola right. That is the plant they are closing right. We here in Wisconsin
are going to loose 500+ workers at that plant. The snow engines are going to be made in Mexico. I feel very hurt but not suprized. Polaris is doing what they are. Just my feelings. I will never buy another new polaris product again.I also understand they do not care about me, but if 10000 or more people felt as strong about it as I do.That would affect them.I know where other sled are built.I accept that. They never boosted about made in the U.S.A. Thanks life will go on just fine but not on a new polaris.
Oseola right. That is the plant they are closing right. We here in Wisconsin
are going to loose 500+ workers at that plant. The snow engines are going to be made in Mexico. I feel very hurt but not suprized. Polaris is doing what they are. Just my feelings. I will never buy another new polaris product again.I also understand they do not care about me, but if 10000 or more people felt as strong about it as I do.That would affect them.I know where other sled are built.I accept that. They never boosted about made in the U.S.A. Thanks life will go on just fine but not on a new polaris.
Boycotting Polaris products will put even more US workers out of jobs.
I'm interested in keeping the facts straight, so please help point me in the right direction if my information is not accurate.
Polaris has stated that the Liberty Snowmobile engines that are currently made in the Osceola plant will be made in Roseau Mn. where the Osceola snowmobile related production will be moved to.
I'm interested in keeping the facts straight, so please help point me in the right direction if my information is not accurate.
FACT
FACT... The production of the Osceola plant will be moved to USA and Mexican facilities.
FACT. Some of them will be given the option to relocate to Roseau, and other US locations. It is sad to see people loose their jobs, much of my family and friends lost their jobs and homes in the Detroit area... I am glad that Polaris is still in business in these tough times and still remains big employer of the US workforce.
NOT FACT. This production is being moved to Roseau.
Polaris has stated that the Liberty Snowmobile engines that are currently made in the Osceola plant will be made in Roseau Mn. where the Osceola snowmobile related production will be moved to.
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ACCORDING TO MRS KNUDSON ONLY ATV UTV PARTS will be made in mex the engine is going to be moved to USA built plants.
Just so everyone is aware. Polaris did purchase an engine design/manufacturing facility in Switzerland last fall. They had already been using this plant for some motor design prior to the purchase. They are obviously aware of the need for outside influence for their engine designs. I wouldn't expect the Liberty name to continue to mean what it originally did. Not that the outside influence won't be welcome. In my book and I'm sure others, they have been needing some help in that department anyway, but it is truly sad that they just can't seem to hit the nail on the head with American engineering.
Some simple reverse engineering of some Japanese motors would reveal some pretty simple upgrades. Starting with their tolorances. Reguardless, Polaris executives have made some decisions we will have to live with. Hopefully in the end they do result in better built more dependable machines.
Some simple reverse engineering of some Japanese motors would reveal some pretty simple upgrades. Starting with their tolorances. Reguardless, Polaris executives have made some decisions we will have to live with. Hopefully in the end they do result in better built more dependable machines.
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Looks like the Polaris Snowmobiles will still be made in Good Ole USA Made!!
Moving the sled related parts and engine production from Osceola Wi, to Roseau Mn.
I guess I'll be sticking with the company that has the highest US-domestic content in their sleds.
Did anyone consider that the end result of this arrangement might be a BETTER Snowmobile?
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The end result of keeping the Snowmbile and Snowmobile engine production in the USA at Roseau could very well result in a better sled.
The statement from Polaris Industries to clarify the Engine production location.
The statement from Polaris Industries to clarify the Engine production location.
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My 1st polaris had a fugi star engine ,never woried about engine failures,cranksbreaking,pistons sticking ,update for this or that,we rode real hard by todays standards back to back heat races at eagle river ,I would not atempt that on a liberty engine sled. Maby out sorcing is the best way to go BUT NOT MADE IN M E X I C O
I don't agree with it either but.......
What about the tow vehicle you pull them with? Globally produced parts including Mexico.
What about the trailers you pull them with? Globally produced parts including Mexico.
What about the fuel you run in them? Less than 15% is produced in the US.
What about the clothing you wear when you ride them. Globally produced including Mexico.
This list could go on forever. We should start concentrating on how long we are going to be able to ride anything produced anywhere. THAT is my biggest concern looking at the current mess we are in.
What about the tow vehicle you pull them with? Globally produced parts including Mexico.
What about the trailers you pull them with? Globally produced parts including Mexico.
What about the fuel you run in them? Less than 15% is produced in the US.
What about the clothing you wear when you ride them. Globally produced including Mexico.
This list could go on forever. We should start concentrating on how long we are going to be able to ride anything produced anywhere. THAT is my biggest concern looking at the current mess we are in.
C
The Polaris XLT was the worst crank braking motor ever built, A fugi motor.
The first 600 in 83 broke cranks a fugi. the 500 with twin pipes broke cranks a fugi.
The best thing Polaris ever did was make there own motor. The Polaris 700 is one of the best motors ever built a liberty. Also the 600 small block a liberty.
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