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homerjohn2001
11-17-2008, 05:05 PM
Need some help on the king cat.All stock what does this sled need to keep up with the other 800/900 out there?
thanks
chris

Idcatman3
11-17-2008, 05:14 PM
Gas and oil....

ACMtnCat
11-17-2008, 05:32 PM
The King needs a 2.5" extreme on it. The 900 makes plenty of power, just got to put that power to the ground!

diggerdown
11-17-2008, 06:02 PM
A good rider. Most people ask the question the other way around, what do they have to do with their sled to keep up with a King!

76FOMOCO
11-17-2008, 08:05 PM
A good rider. Most people ask the question the other way around, what do they have to do with their sled to keep up with a King!


I know!!1

pay 5-15 k more!!

arcticridr
11-17-2008, 09:44 PM
A 2.5" Extreme wouldnt hurt, And the rider needs to have bigger Kahonnas than the other guys:beer; As far as the sled goes nothing more required!!!!!!!!!:D

av8er
11-17-2008, 09:49 PM
no one is really answering your question, if it is totally stock, they run very well strong motor, lots of low end grunt, I rode one for a couple of years, It had everything done to it, bored carbs, porting, clutch work, twin jaws, slp air box, 40 shot of NOS, boss seat, suspension upgrades, is itr carbed or efi, what year, they were notorious for having a bog in deep snow on the right side

Flange
11-17-2008, 10:04 PM
If it has the Attack 20 track, I recommend changing it out to a Challenger Extreme.

Change the recoil rope to Spectra 5.5 climbing rope. The stock rope is notorious for breaking.

Keep the speedo bearing greased. If your speedo stops working, head for the truck...your bearing could be going bad and you can end up with a broken drive shaft.

Many folks experience the right-side bog. Hopefully you don't. There are numerous threads discussing the solutions.

Upgrade to a high-rise seat.

I didn't like the stock skis. Ya might consider upgrading them too.

2zeros
11-17-2008, 10:31 PM
Except, The Attack-20 is very good in HC out west. I guess its a love hate thing, you either love it or hate it! I put stock M series skis on mine, SLP can, drop brackets, highrise seat, C-R racing forward steering post, did some clutch tuning and lowered the gearing. Also I think an anti-stab kit is needed. Other than that, I really like the sled. I will probably buy an M-1000, or what ever is the sh!t in a few years or so. When the funds are available. -00's

AkHockey10
11-17-2008, 11:18 PM
a King Cat can holds its own. With the stock track... it does just fine. Pipe/can, reeds and pull the cord! if you are not on a budget... go with a D&D 1010 :D.. Ive ridden with one many, many times and have ridden one a few times..very impressive sled! Kinda tough to ride in the tight trees and its the older suspension..but, other than that... its a great sled. IMHO.

diggerdown
11-18-2008, 07:20 AM
You are only an hour away from me. Come up some day and I can show you some of the better things to do with the King. It is a great sled when set up properly. PM me.

homerjohn2001
11-18-2008, 07:28 AM
All good stuff boys keep it comming.Been up in the UP but not out west.Old sled was a mxz 600 121 with a 1 1/4 so the 162 900 will be a big change.
chris

high time
11-18-2008, 03:27 PM
I even ride the 1000 mod. King there. The King has saved me a lot of cash on new sleds alll these years. Simply put; beat my King and I'll buy a new sled. I do have a new '09 M-8 but It's not the King.
BUT.... 975cc ported Jaws twins Chall Extreme etc.. etc. New style recoil , the old one sucks. No right side bog if tuned to proper piston wash.

Owen

SuaveGato
11-25-2008, 01:19 PM
You are only an hour away from me. Come up some day and I can show you some of the better things to do with the King. It is a great sled when set up properly. PM me.

Care to elaborate for those of us who aren't 1 hour away from y'all? I'm a new KK owner too, looking for all of the best mods (within reason). No big bore or custom tunnel or skid etc. just the basics... so far have SLP pipe, can & cold intake. boss seat, V-force reeds, powder pro skis and just had my clutch done. what else should I be looking at doing and what is the "right side bog" how will I know if I have it? I read about the speedo bearing to be kept greased too... anything else?

thanks,
biGjOhn

Bushpilot
11-25-2008, 01:25 PM
SuaveGato sounds like you have a good start. I would only recommend putting a riser on your steering and possibly a steering forward Kit. You can also put a rear suspension drop bracket on it from holz. This puts all the track on the ground.

SuaveGato
11-25-2008, 01:36 PM
SuaveGato sounds like you have a good start. I would only recommend putting a riser on your steering and possibly a steering forward Kit. You can also put a rear suspension drop bracket on it from holz. This puts all the track on the ground.

Hey thanks,
all that stuff was on it when I got it, so haven't really seen what it can do yet? I have heard about the drop brackets. so what's the diff. tween the Sled junky & the Holtz? any pros or cons with either one?
By steering riser, you mean like a handle bar riser block? If so, that's DEFINATLEY on the short list... I am 6'5" so will need to get that up quit a bit! Will also be adding a lefty throttle.

What is the steering forward kit?

I am also replacing the whole rear skid / suspension. long story, stabbed the track and ruined the rails, and some other crap, cheaper to replace whole thing with someone's good used "take off". However, I have been toying with the idea (under the influence of others) to put in a M series skid. anyone have any input on that? Suppossedly will just need some spacers up front, other than that, should bolt right in and be an improvement? would solve the need for drop brackets and rail stiffeners too (assuming i get a 07 or later M skid) Oh, and I'll also be adding the anti stab kit before I do it again, DOH!

thanks,
biGjOhn

Bushpilot
11-25-2008, 01:47 PM
The steering forward kit is made by Wildchild on here. puts the handlebars 2 in forward.
makes sled more of a rider forward vrs stock.

Risers are a must. I went with OLE riser cause it put the steering straight up instead of straight back plus they are cheep upgrade. around $40

I installed a m7 162 skid on my king cat. you just need 1/4 in washer on the front arm to install the skid. Only reason i put one on there is had sled run into back of my sled. you will still have to put the drop brackets on there. keeps the tunnel away from the track. sled junkies drop brackets work fine as well. one thing with the m skid is you will have less problems with stabbing the track and more usable suspension that is lighter.

SuaveGato
11-25-2008, 01:53 PM
The steering forward kit is made by Wildchild on here. puts the handlebars 2 in forward.
makes sled more of a rider forward vrs stock.

Risers are a must. I went with OLE riser cause it put the steering straight up instead of straight back plus they are cheep upgrade. around $40

I installed a m7 162 skid on my king cat. you just need 1/4 in washer on the front arm to install the skid. Only reason i put one on there is had sled run into back of my sled. you will still have to put the drop brackets on there. keeps the tunnel away from the track. sled junkies drop brackets work fine as well. one thing with the m skid is you will have less problems with stabbing the track and more usable suspension that is lighter.

cool, thanks, that's what I've heard. I was told that if I got an 07 or later M skid, that I wouldn't need to drop brackets? Not true? Also, doe sthe M skid eliminate stabbing or should I get the anti stab kit still, just to be safe? That 3.0 pitch track has some huge windows, trust me, I know. I don't want to do that again! stabbed it last year on the first day I got it. tore the track up, the rear skid, pushed bars forward, went through winshield etc.. NOT FUN!
thanks.

Bushpilot
11-25-2008, 01:56 PM
Anti stab kit would not hurt especially for peace of mind.....M skid has a different rail than the king on the front of the skid

SuaveGato
11-25-2008, 01:59 PM
Anti stab kit would not hurt especially for peace of mind.....M skid has a different rail than the king on the front of the skid

sounds prudent. thanks again bush...

diggerdown
11-25-2008, 09:24 PM
If you add long risers, build a support for the steering stem. I used an old handlebar clamp and spaced it with a small washer between the halfs. Made a plate that bolted though the bolts for the top stem bushing and brought it out to give extra support above the original bushing. This added a lot of strength to the noodle stem! If you open you hood and watch down by your carbs you will se that the steering stem will rub on the carb boots when you start pulling on the bars. You will know when you have a powder bog! Proper jetting helps along with a front dump can or a very good snow deflector. I don't know about the Holz drop brackets but the SJ limited the transfer some and made a more controlled ski lift. The air intake by the chaincase should be blocked off, with extra air intake somewhere else. They suck in all the hot air off the can and pipe and also any steam under the hood. Makes for poor performance. Keep the track as loose as you can without ratcheting. Kind of sketchy but a few things to look at.

SuaveGato
11-26-2008, 10:40 AM
If you add long risers, build a support for the steering stem. I used an old handlebar clamp and spaced it with a small washer between the halfs. Made a plate that bolted though the bolts for the top stem bushing and brought it out to give extra support above the original bushing. This added a lot of strength to the noodle stem! If you open you hood and watch down by your carbs you will se that the steering stem will rub on the carb boots when you start pulling on the bars. You will know when you have a powder bog! Proper jetting helps along with a front dump can or a very good snow deflector. I don't know about the Holz drop brackets but the SJ limited the transfer some and made a more controlled ski lift. The air intake by the chaincase should be blocked off, with extra air intake somewhere else. They suck in all the hot air off the can and pipe and also any steam under the hood. Makes for poor performance. Keep the track as loose as you can without ratcheting. Kind of sketchy but a few things to look at.

Hey Digger,
thanks for the dirt. some good info. there. I'll surely take into consideration.
thanks guys,
biGjOhn

76FOMOCO
11-26-2008, 02:09 PM
go with the wildchild forward post and you can have him make it any height you would like and this gets you away from the riser block. had mine made 2"+ over stock and wish i would have went 3".

diggerdown
11-26-2008, 02:18 PM
go with the wildchild forward post and you can have him make it any height you would like and this gets you away from the riser block. had mine made 2"+ over stock and wish i would have went 3".

He is pretty tall and may end up extending everything before he is done! I'm 6'4" and raised mine 5 1/2" and rolled it forward some. I have about half the cost of one of wildchild's post in it and it's not as strong or light but my fuel bill to get to the mountains eats up a lot of accy. money! I have my welder and lathe and am not happy unless I'm jerry-rigging something!

76FOMOCO
11-26-2008, 02:24 PM
BTW I'm 6' and full of it, but this another post
just put the O'les riser on one of my buddys kk and we measured from the board to the top of the handle bar on mine with a 2"+ wildchild and his with the 3.5" O'les and his was only a half inch taller.

SuaveGato
11-26-2008, 04:56 PM
ok, so If i'm sniffing this out right... the WildChild is whole new steering post? So it can be made to what ever desired height, right? It is also made so that it moves the bars forward a couple inches too? I'm just guessing but, being 6'5", 280 Lbs. and a pretty aggressive rider, I'm gonna need some supplemental support for that thing? If the bars get extended, that is gonna give me a lot more leverage when yanking the sled over for side hilling, thus making it more likely to snap or bend the steering post, yes? I did read somewhere on here where a guy added an additional post bracket, that would probably be prudent as well...

So what if anything else does the WC do? bars forward, custom height... anything else?

thanks

76FOMOCO
11-26-2008, 05:35 PM
he uses a stronger post (yes all new post) and i have about 2k on mine and all are hard mt miles and have not bent this one. it will flex a little but haven't bent one yet. he will make it for stock or to mount on the other side of the steering hoop (forward mount) but i would go forward mount all the way.

SuaveGato
11-26-2008, 05:55 PM
he uses a stronger post (yes all new post) and i have about 2k on mine and all are hard mt miles and have not bent this one. it will flex a little but haven't bent one yet. he will make it for stock or to mount on the other side of the steering hoop (forward mount) but i would go forward mount all the way.

AH AH! I see, his new post mounts IN FRONT of the hoop, clever idea! does it come with or need any extra hardware to relo. the mount? How much does he sell them for? Wonder if he can make one out of thicker wall tubing for us "gorilla types"? wonder where I could fab an additional support for it if nec.? Read some guy did with a bar clamp with washers in it to space it from actually clamping. Imagine he used some kind of bushing in it too?

I'm just wondering, have any of you tall guys felt that was an improvement and didn't feel bent over at the waist and out over the bars? The reason I ask is because being 6'5" tall, let's face it, sleds aren't designed for guys like me... more like 5'10" or so... So I can never stand STRAIGHT up and ride... I tried once putting an 8" riser with 2.5" pivot riser base on one of my sleds, I could stand straight up but...
not only did I look like I was riding a chopper with "ape hangers" but when sitting down, the bars were SO tall, they bounced back and forth, side to side a foot or so, like a sail boat mast... made it VERY hard to ride sitting down. Anyway, my question I guess is, since I can't put my feet any farther forward, with the forward position of the post, does it feel as if you are leaning forward and bent at the waist, awkwardly out over the bars or is it an improvement? (just asking the tall guys here) - we have different geometry, LOL.

thanks again,
biGjOhn

diggerdown
11-26-2008, 08:22 PM
Being able to stand-up and throw the sled around is one of the best things you can do to improve your riding.

Heavysledz
11-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Here is what I have done to my 2003 900 1M and it will pretty much hang with anything stock and many modified seds....the sled is way better than the rider (me) I can say that much......power (even stock) is not an issue. To keep up with the newer sleds you need to improve the rider ergonomics by getting your seating position more upright and forward. The BOSS highrise seat and Wildchild forward bend steering post wil take care of both of these areas and make the sled feel like an entirely new machine....

Sled Mods:

· V-Force III Reeds
· Holtzman ATTAC
· RKT Billet High Compression Head 14.6:1 ratio
· SLP Ceramic Coated Single Pipe
· PPP Ceramic Coated Can
· SLP Hi-Flow Air Intake System
· 2005 King Cat Pull Starter Rope Guide Tube
· FOX Floats Air Shocks (Front Suspension)
· SLP Powder Pro Skis (Yellow)
· Custom Yellow Graphics
· Factory Mechanical Reverse
· RacePak Avenger III EGT/Water Temp Gauge
· Team Arctic Bronze Chrome Windshield
· Muff Pot cooker
· BOSS NOSS Nitrous Oxide System (40hp Shot)
· BOSS High-rise Flat Top Seat
· Ice Scratchers
· Black Magic Anti-Ratchet Drivers (3.0” pitch/8 drivers)
· Attack 20 162” Track (Hillclimb Position)
· Sledjunky Billet Drop Brackets
· Snow Eliminators
· Arctic Cat Factory Long Track Conversion Kit:
o 162” Rails
o Rear tunnel section
o Rail grips
o Coolant Line Extensions
o Driveshaft W/3.0” Drivers
· Anti-Stab Idler Wheel Kit
· “WildChild” Chromoly Steering Post (Forward Bend +2” Rise, Resin Filled)
· RSI 8” Bar Risers
· RSI Chromoly Steering Post (Race Bend/ No Rise/ Pre-Hooked Bar Ends)
· RSI Bar Pad
· Custom Built control Wiring W/”Flexo-Pet” looming
· Custom N20 Safety Switch and Activation Switch
· Ruffian Grips
· Gravityworx Racing Left Hand Throttle
· Gravityworx Custom Throttle Cable
· SLP Steel Braided Brake line
· TEAM Industries Twintrax TSS-04 Secondary Clutch
· Holeshot Skidplate



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ZRrrr
11-26-2008, 10:25 PM
AH AH! I see, his new post mounts IN FRONT of the hoop, clever idea! does it come with or need any extra hardware to relo. the mount? How much does he sell them for? Wonder if he can make one out of thicker wall tubing for us "gorilla types"? wonder where I could fab an additional support for it if nec.? Read some guy did with a bar clamp with washers in it to space it from actually clamping. Imagine he used some kind of bushing in it too?

I'm just wondering, have any of you tall guys felt that was an improvement and didn't feel bent over at the waist and out over the bars? The reason I ask is because being 6'5" tall, let's face it, sleds aren't designed for guys like me... more like 5'10" or so... So I can never stand STRAIGHT up and ride... I tried once putting an 8" riser with 2.5" pivot riser base on one of my sleds, I could stand straight up but...
not only did I look like I was riding a chopper with "ape hangers" but when sitting down, the bars were SO tall, they bounced back and forth, side to side a foot or so, like a sail boat mast... made it VERY hard to ride sitting down. Anyway, my question I guess is, since I can't put my feet any farther forward, with the forward position of the post, does it feel as if you are leaning forward and bent at the waist, awkwardly out over the bars or is it an improvement? (just asking the tall guys here) - we have different geometry, LOL.

thanks again,
biGjOhn

I'm 6'5" and just over 200 with gear. I did the forward post using Wildchild's version. It is hands down one of THE best changes I did to the 2002 ZR 800 (136 x 1.6). I have much better control of the sled and toss it around quite easily. Boondocking and short hook turns no problemo. Makes the sled feel lighter. Do not question this mod any further.....git er done!

Heavysledz
11-26-2008, 11:00 PM
Same here...I'm 6' 3" 250lbs and can throw it around with ease and no more bent posts with the Wildchild post (I hope). If you are going to raise your bars as much as I did (see pics above) you almost have to get a highrise seat or you will look like that ape hanger that SuaveGato is referring too :D With the combination of the seat and forward bend bars, your ergonomics are pretty darn similar to the new sleds on the market today. I actually find it better than some of the new sleds as well...

powdercrav
11-28-2008, 10:26 PM
i have a completely stock 03 1M 900 159 and my brother's tricked out 800 Vertical Escape 159 manages to keep up to it. he has slp intake pipe can and y pipe. as soon as i get the clutching done and throw a single pipe on i doubt he could catch me. just not so sure i like the rider position as much as the newer sleds. has amazing low end pull.

sunbather1969
01-20-2009, 05:14 PM
pipe can lite weight hood and ve rails and bumper billet everything